Carillion

What about the other half of the sentence. Tha's just as important, isn't it?
I agree, and even more so for cities like Beijing, Shenzhen where the disparity could be even greater.

Jalima I don't know about other contracts, but HS2 will definitely be covered by the other companies. Where the money comes from will depend on the liquidator and how much it can raise. The government will have to pay something. The huge pension deficit should be covered by the Pension Protection Fund. Existing pensioners are fully protected, but if you're not already getting a pension you can only get 90% and there's a cap the maximum you can get.

Carpetbaggers.

As I said, why should they worry, they won't have to mix with the likes of us

(what royalty has to do with it I have no idea)

www.cityam.com/239517/sunday-times-rich-list-2016-the-number-of-billionaires-in-london-has-fallen-but-its-still-the-super-rich-capital-of-the-world

Chakrabborty's link, as you would have realised if you had bothered looking at the link I put on.
Some must have left since the Brexit vote.
That's the thing with Billionaires, they can move whenever they want, unlike the fifth of the population who have less than the living wage - www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-population-living-wage-less-fifth-workforce-minimum-quality-life-poverty-cost-a8035616.html

That's the thing with Billionaires, they can move whenever they want, unlike the fifth of the population who have less than the living wage

Quite
why should they worry, they won't have to mix with the likes of us

An awful lot of whatifery, jalima. I am sure those who are going to food banks are all thinking that at least they are better off than the poor of Beijing.
They probably don't even know that the gap between rich and poor is greater in the UK than any other country in the EU. Another of Chakrabortty's statistics for you to challenge.

jen nobody challenging the information. The discussion just got a bit off track and I'm as much to blame as anyone, more probably. We're just commenting on the fact that the rich get away with blue murder. Chill.

Going to bed to get warmed up. Goodnight.

And as for the cost to us, think of all the time and resources that will have to be spent renegotiating contracts, arranging contingency plans, on retendering at local and national government level. It’s not as though las or the government have got anything else to be getting on with is it? PS I was talking about Branson’s children.

Also re pensioners - existing pensioners will get lower annual increases and surviving spouses inherit a lesser %. There’s a lot of spin around isn’t there and/or lazy journalism.

I wondered what you meant about the children. It looked like you were talking to Jalima!

The cost of the whole outsourcing process must be ridiculous, even if a contract is well run. As for when it goes wrong... scandalous.

Time for bed

An excellent article by Len McCluskey.

labourlist.org/2018/01/len-mccluskey-carillion-crisis-shows-how-spivs-have-infected-public-services-at-expense-of-workers/

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/01/18/after-fifteen-years-of-my-saying-pfi-does-not-work-the-nao-finally-agrees-why-has-it-taken-so-long/

NAO report written before the Carillion collapse.

Hypocritical Tories. No wonder they didn't do anything about Carillion sooner.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-branded-total-hypocrite-trousering-11868280

Have had a trip to hospital today with my husband. Suddenly started noticing how many different logos were on people's jackets or lanyards. I wondered whether these were some of the sub contractors for Carillion.

You don't really notice unless you have to, do you, Ilovecheese?
I was telling my grandson about the Gates in Durham being a Carillion site, and he hadn't noticed, even though we went past the site on the park and ride bus about once a week. He looked at the cranes, but never noticed those big contractors signs on them.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/lord-adonis-east-coast-rail-bail-accelerated-carillions-collapse/

All Grayling's fault.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/carillion-conservative-party-donation-tory-collapse-government-contracts-pfi-hedge-fund-public-a8166581.html

dj nothing is just one person's fault. The Carillion collapse had ramifications. As with everything it was a combination of poor management, poor auditing, failure of City experts to see the way the cookie was crumbling, greed - and government mismanagement. That Grayling contributed to the collapse is without a doubt, but you are flattering him to think that he alone engineered the whole collapse from start to finish. For what purpose?

Corbyn has an article in today’s guardian.

It will be Labour policy to retain all essential services in government and only outsource if they are proving to be failing. This is of course government policy in most of Europe.

Before any right winger starts to jump up and down this does not mean wholesale nationalisation. Large infrastructure project will still be tendered forcand carried out by private industry.

Outsourcing essential services has found largely not to be working, for almost every reason you can think.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/childrens-services-sunderland-taken-over-10594299

Children’s services in Sunderland failed terribly in Local Authority control.

gilly that’s the point I think - Corbyn has recognised that essential services are, as we know ,better carried out in house, but where it is deemed to be failing it may be better to outsource them

So the preference is always to carry essential services by those with the most expertise, but recognises that this is neither always possible nor desirable.

They’re not doing much better having been outsourced whitewave . I think that referrals to children’s services have risen rapidly and the outsourced company is struggling to deliver with limited resources.

Exactly! That is what has largely to be found. Outsourcing is so frequently given to non-expertise.