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I have tried to contact HQ regarding this fora. Cant access

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jollyg Thu 18-Jan-18 14:59:32

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I find it extremely stupid to include news and politics in on thread.

Sorry they are not good bedfellows.

Politics here seems to bring on ranters, and cut and pasters, not quite what news is about.

Let those who complain vociferously do so please, but NEWS is a different subject where we can all discuss amicably

Jalima1108 Fri 19-Jan-18 17:51:34

I was trying not to ....

durhamjen Fri 19-Jan-18 17:48:36

By the way, jollyg, being pedantic, this is a forum. Fora is plural, so you cannot say this fora.
Don't know if anyone's said it before on the thread.

Jalima1108 Fri 19-Jan-18 17:48:11

I do have a feeling of déjà vu, I'm sure this has been discussed before but I can't remember what the consensus of opinion was.

durhamjen Fri 19-Jan-18 17:45:17

No mention, Elegran, of those on the left being called Marxists and communists when they obviously aren't?
It's not all one way, you know.

Perhaps the majority who don't go on news and politics threads do not want to discuss news and politics. Have you thought of that?

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 12:00:08

I feel the same Eloe it won’t stop what the OP and others want to stop anyway. And do HQ listen either way - what happened to the issue of being able to name change?

Eloethan Fri 19-Jan-18 11:55:43

It strikes me as a rather petty complaint - and, as others have said, most news has a political aspect to it.

But if most people feel it is essential to separate the two, I don't really care because in my view many news items will be found to have a political dimension and will elicit political discussion anyway.

MissAdventure Fri 19-Jan-18 11:52:57

I've seen worse.. grin

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 11:51:18

Actually the OP was a very good example of being very aggressive and confrontational

Elegran Fri 19-Jan-18 11:23:58

Robust debate is robust debate, and those who enter into it will continue to use it and enjoy it. However, assuming that anyone who speaks to them also wants a robust debate is enrolling them in a confrontation they may not have intended. There is assertive and there is aggressive, and one shades into the other.

I don't think there is any meeting ground between the two views on this subject, but it has had a good airing. Well done JollyG for starting the thread.

MissAdventure Fri 19-Jan-18 11:22:52

Yes, I realise that. Its just that when I chat my real life friends, we don't always want to spend the time debating furiously. Others may feel differently, of course.

MaizieD Fri 19-Jan-18 11:19:15

How on earth do you imagine I would be able to stop it?

I think the whole point is that, whatever a forum was called no-one would be able to stop a thread developing into a political debate.

And it's pretty difficult to determine just what is 'political' and what isn't.

MissAdventure Fri 19-Jan-18 11:14:31

How on earth do you imagine I would be able to stop it?

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 11:11:44

And Miss how would you stop a political debate from developing about some topic on the News board? I just can’t figure that out - unless it’s to stifle and censor debate

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 11:10:05

lemon how do you differentiate between political and non political comments?

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 11:08:29

I don’t think that opinions are changed on here - they are expressed and like minded posters appreciate being able to discuss their thought with others. You’re using very emotive language yourself Elegran like ‘stifle, despise’ and the rest. Your post sounds as though you( and some others) want a totally different sort of debate on GN than that which one of us enjoy. If you think posts break the guidelines, then report. It all sounds very much like censorship and wanting to deny robust debate to me and the arguments for that are not coming from the left are they? What is very tiring is the idea that grown women(and men) need protecting from robust debate. There are threads which are safe,protected spaces for those who for whatever reasons want a quiet life; there are threads where posters who are having a very difficult, unbearably sad, challenging time are supported and helped and given loving and caring advice such as relationships,bereavement etc. Anyway, even if HQ were daft enough to separate the threads, that wouldn’t change the nature and content of the posts would it. Just by putting something in News wouldn’t protect that topic from being politicised would it?

lemongrove Fri 19-Jan-18 11:04:29

The ‘right’ on here are not looking for anything, much less the stifling of any political discussion.....what a weird idea.
Various people of various political persuasions are making a case for having two threads, one for non political comments and one for all political comments.This is because a few posters will always bring any subject at all back to narrow party political point scoring.

MissAdventure Fri 19-Jan-18 11:02:24

It should be a simple change to make. Not everyone feels up to having a big political debate about everything.

Elegran Fri 19-Jan-18 11:00:24

This is not about "the right" MaryEliza It is about the majority of posters not venturing onto a thread which is proclamed to be "Politics". That may or may not be a reflection of a general view of politicising in this country or by this generation, but it is a fact.

I don't believe that GN will change anything either, but it can't be a bad thing for them to know what a proportion of posters think on the subject.

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 10:49:34

Of course HQ won’t do it -and anyway, it won’t make the slightest difference - it’s what the thread is about and how it develops - are the right on here looking for ‘political’ posts on a news thread to be deleted?

Elegran Fri 19-Jan-18 10:45:35

Stifle free speech?? A small coterie of posters already stifle inhibit posting on anything vaguely political, not by banning it but by making assumptions. Ones like "The right on here are nowhere near as erudite as the left"^ which denies the existence of any middle ground. It assumes that anyone who doesn't advocate exactly the same details as them is automatically bright blue in the face and advocating the death penalty for any starving pauper caught stealing a loaf - and that anyone with any other ideas to theirs is ignorant too.

Then there's the "Unless your tennis is of Rafe Nadal's standard, you have no right to go anywhere near the Centre Court." dismissal. There are many, many people in the crowds at Wimbledon who play a little tennis, or a modest amount, but they know the basic moves, they can tell good play from bad, they discuss the performances of their favourites and predict the outcome of matches, but they do not have the skill, the power, the experience, the chutzpah, to challenge any of the top seeds.

That is not a reason to despise them for daring to join a conversation about tennis. But posters are despised for joining a political conversation unless they have a stock of quotes from obscure commentators, are quick to ridicule the quotes of the "other side" as coming from biased and unsafe sources, and are armoured to cut and thrust and fight without heeding the wounds.

Frankly, it is not worth expressing any opinions unless you are prepared and able to use black belt judo or vehement invective against the replies. The overkill doesn't persuade or convert anyone any better than a milder response. It just sends them away from the discussion with a flea in their ear, to vote as they were going to anyway.

maryeliza54 Fri 19-Jan-18 10:39:14

Wills haircut = style and beauty

MaizieD Fri 19-Jan-18 10:26:39

Precisely, MOnica! grin

M0nica Fri 19-Jan-18 10:10:21

1) Winter weather = power cuts, Tory management of privatised energy industry.

2) escaped wolf = animal rights,

3)El Nino = Global warming, government iniatives not enough, Donald Trump

4) Beauty Queen = Racism, institution racism. It all the ...... parties fault

5) Cocaine in pineapples = Drugs, government response, pinapples grown by enslaved workers on minimal wages

6) Peter Wynegard dies = hmm

lemongrove Fri 19-Jan-18 09:34:25

Yes, Wills looks much better now.

Also yes, news is not always political at all,far from it, and should have a separate thread.Will HQ do it, who knows?

Day6 Fri 19-Jan-18 01:42:40

Yes, MissAdventure, I agree. William looks MUCH younger with his very short hair. It's quite a trendy look. I thought he might go in for that awful comb-over, often sported by bald men because his thick side hair seemed to be getting longer.

Was thinking - Gordon Ramsay and Wayne Rooney had hair transplants. I wondered if Will had considered one because he has lost his hair at a very young age. It just wouldn't be a royal thing to do, I imagine.