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The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

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TerriBull Thu 25-Jan-18 09:55:46

I expect this is going to divide opinion, but what's your take on the Men Only charity event that's all over the news. However, for those not familiar, a bevy of young women, many of them students, were recruited through an agency for this event, they had to be slim and good looking they were told to wear sexy shoes and black underwear to go under the very skimpy dresses provided.They also had to sign a five page disclaimer, which they didn't get to read and weren't given a copy of. A couple of female undercover FT journalists were also amoung these young women and testified to appalling behaviour by SOME of the male guests. To give a flavour of the offers guests were asked to bid for "Plastic surgery to spice up the Mrs" hmm Jess Phillips gave a very good speech in Parliament imo saying these young women who were expected to act as hostesses "were merely bait" Personally I find it sickening that the guise of charity is used as a way to negate the bad behaviour in this sort of evening. I believe some of the high profile charities such as GOSH have told the now defunct Presidents' Club, where to stick their money.

Anniebach Wed 31-Jan-18 14:30:39

I will wait for proof not just one newspaper reporters story, a camera but didn't film any lewd behaviour, over 100 girls and not one asked one question.

How often do we read on this forum that newspaper reports cannot taken as proof or truth

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 14:26:48

Just take a trip into most city centres on a given Saturday night and you will see all the groping, flirting, boobs and bums on full show but there will be no charity donations. Just men and women behaving badly.

I can't see why the whole thing had to be closed down because some horrible sleaze bags took it too far. Surely it should be them taken to task.

Anniebach Wed 31-Jan-18 14:26:33

I can understand the men for not speaking out, with the hysteria of -"me too" where men are losing their jobs but not been charged, not been found guilty and some feminists like praying mantis waiting to devour their reputations

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 14:25:32

Oh gb give it up. It's the same old, same old that has been used for centuries. Sometimes translated as- "They knew what they were getting into" "They were asking for it" "They could have stopped/ left/screamed if they had wanted to". Some men behaved badly. Some men got caught. It happened. It isn't acceptable. It's just silly to keep on.

Esspee Wed 31-Jan-18 14:23:13

This is the 21st century, but some sections of society appear not to have moved on.

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 14:14:06

I am not saying that there wasn't flirting/ touching/ bum nipping or whatever trisher . I am saying that it may not have been as rife as some are saying it was. I am also saying that from what I have read some women did the event every year and enjoyed the attention and the handsome payments and tips. No-one was forcing anyone to do it. If they needed money there are always jobs in McDonalds, Burger King or the local chippy. Not glamorous, not well paid, no tips either, but they would not have been told to dress up in sexy clothes or sign a disclaimer either.

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 14:12:34

Jalima1108 why not publish the names? Should the guest list for such events be some sort of secret?

Jalima1108 Wed 31-Jan-18 14:01:45

Jalima said you don't scour the tabloids.
MissA and djen
Just to clarify, I said that hmm perhaps MissA doesn't scour the tabloids.
That was me pondering, not a fact, as I don't know MissA personally and don't know her reading habits.

Jalima1108 Wed 31-Jan-18 13:57:59

If there were 360 men at the dinner then is it likely they were all groping the waitresses - or could it be true that some of them saw nothing and were unaware of what went on until later, just perhaps heard some drunken racousness going on elsewhere in what must have been very large room?
So was it right to publish all their names?

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 13:55:23

Let's put it like this, had the accusations been entirely false, had there been no groping, had the women been treated as respected and beautiful people, there only to make sure drinks were served and the food service was quick and efficient, the men present had, between them, quite enough money and power, to challenge such accusations. As it is they have chosen not to do so. The whole operation has been shut down. But some posters on here persist in making up sad and unlikely scenarios about what went on. Why bother to do so, when even the men have opted out of it? It is of course to do with the still persisting myth that if something happens it must be the woman's fault. Which some people just can't let go.

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 13:35:35

Not sure where pigs (flying or otherwise) come into it trisher? confused

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 12:55:52

And ooh look there's a flying pig!- talk about clutching at straws.

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 12:47:50

.....and what about claiming you saw something because your friend/colleague said she did. Or suddenly becoming highly offended by something that you previously shrugged off?

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 12:42:51

Bu gillybob just because I didn't see something doesn't mena it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it. Which really isn't evidence of anything.

Bridgeit Wed 31-Jan-18 12:33:05

We should be focusing on the behaviour of some of the men, unless these men had been told it was a brothel , where ladies of the night would be happy to entertain them, then they had no right to be touching any of the staff who working that night.

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 12:30:21

And surely the word of someone who said they didn't see something is as good as the word of someone who said they did.

It doesn't turn me on trisher . confused

I just thought it might be going to be a recognized sport soon. Finding things to be offended by.

Iam64 Wed 31-Jan-18 12:23:52

I may have missed something but, I haven't seen anyone here suggesting that all men are lecherous and all women naive.

Anniebach Wed 31-Jan-18 12:23:35

I can't post links of the job description Trisher but I have never claimed to know them,

Anniebach Wed 31-Jan-18 12:20:40

Thank you MisAdventure. Strange why, as the reporter had a camera she didn't film the groping or penis on the table, didn't have one girl to speak , it was just here word as it is just the word of David Walliums that he didn't see what she claims .

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 12:17:22

Could you post links to a job description indicating that groping was an accepted part of the job Annie? of course you can't. I thought we agreed they were women, not girls.
I would appreciate it if you could stick to saying what you think and stop posting things I have never said, much as you may wish I had.

MissAdventure Wed 31-Jan-18 12:05:21

youtu.be/TODYX6fNRYk

Anniebach Wed 31-Jan-18 12:01:11

So Trisher you know why the girls were there ? Can it not be they knew the men were wealthy and thought a wealthy man was just ehatvthry needed. Unlike you I do not see all men lecherous and and all women naive .

Could you post links to interviews with these girls please?

trisher Wed 31-Jan-18 11:40:03

Whatever turns you on gb

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 11:29:03

Do we have proof that anyone "exposed themselves" (I don't mean titties either) .

I mean do we have a description? Could it be identified?

gillybob Wed 31-Jan-18 11:27:43

If I were bored (which I'm not) I would kill time by scouring the hundred or so charity shops around here looking for Gino books and David Walliams books just to be publicly disgusted and cause a scene.............

Oh wait a minute.... there's probably people doing that already. wink