The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

MissAdventure- couldn't have said it better:

'We need wholesale, across the board, condemnation of this kind of event.
That has to come from women too.'

and again, it is women who are our worst enemies ...

They were just kids, and the event was sold to them as something very different to the reality.

Could have been my grand-daughter- or yours - would it still be 'acceptable and expected' then???

These women do it because they want to Parsleywin not because they are forced into it. Sex sells. That’s all there is to it really. Whether it be a scantily clad model parading on the catwalk, a Fomula 1 (or any motor racing for that matter) dolly bird, a over made up half dressed bimbo delivering parts to garages. It’s nothing new.

century, for

I don't often agree with the PM, but I'm with her in decrying the objectification of women. It's the 21st century's or goodness sake!

I hate the use of women as ornaments, eg tens of them lining the stairs up to Formula 1 podiums or accompanying darts players to the stage. "Men do, women decorate" is a really demeaning and outdated concept.

The hostesses were paid far too small a fee for their evening's work. How mean! The agency well knew that sexual services such as putting hands up skirts and so on would be expected of the hostesses.
The rich banqueting men are repugnant bullies of young women who need to earn some money.

There were some interesting definitions given on the radio yesterday, I cannot remember by who.

MODEL, Just that , models clothes of all kinds
ESCORT, accompanies a man and may offer 'other ' services
HOSTESS is just that, offers company at large events like this, nothing else, look, but don't touch.

I suspect many of the young girls, mainly students doing this for some extra cash didn't look into what was really involved at an event like this, just saw a chance to make some extra money in the safety of large numbers, some probably never realised events like this existed in this modern #Metoo# age.

Girls, late teens, early 20s, still a bit wet behind the ears, up for a laugh, in a group just didn't realise just quite what they were letting themselves in for. I suspect that is how I would have reacted at their age. Done it for a giggle, not thought it through and then be horrified by what the job actually entailed.

It doesn’t matter who the women were students or old timers they don’t need to be groped, touched, stroked, and one man actually got his penis out it’s habitat, disgusting man, a pity the waitress or hostess didn’t have a cup of hot coffee in her hands which she held up in horror, oh dear whoops spotted dick on the menu

No-one has explained why such an event should be all male? Even if the women working were all fully aware what would happen, enjoyed being ogled and having fat, old, drunk men shoving their hands up their skirts, I am arguing this kind of event is archaic and you cannot imagine waiters at an all female charity event costing £1500 per ticket in a prestigious hotel (if a such events ever happen- and I doubt they do) being asked to wear skimpy underwear.

Nonnie

Pleased to hear that the children’s minister left early because he felt uncomfortable. He also assured us that he saw nothing untoward which would have made him uncomfortable

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/alcohol/guardian-readers-disgusted-by-their-own-men-only-pub-night-20180125143146

Why would a woman complain she had not been invited to an all male club

Why indeed Anniebach ?

My partner was boxing in the show, by the way, not attending as part of the audience.

I've been to a men only event, as it was 'an evening of boxing' and my then partner was a boxer, and I went along with him.
I was in my thirties, no blushing violet, and with someone who could box, but it was a very unnerving evening.
Maybe it was just that particular event, but there was a atmosphere of barely contained violence, and the air that anything could have happened. It made me really uncomfortable.

Why would a woman complain she had not been invited to an all male club

Personally I don't have a problem with men only events the same as I don't have a problem with women only things.

Next things we will have men joining the WI

Day6 not even 'waitresses', they were recruited as 'hostesses'. I wonder what happened to the actual waitresses or whether they were waiters and it any of them were groped!

But the thing is this is not the 1970s, why have a men only fund raising event at all? One of my neighbours is a young women who works in finance at quite a high level, all the men in her office were invited to this event, she wasn’t. She has now raised this issue at board level . It’s not the same as a group of male or female friends going down to the pub together, this is organised event where the tickets were something like £1,500, so why not have a mixed event? The only reason i can think of its so that men can get drunk and ogle the young waitresses. I can’t think of any other reason. I can’t believe people on here are blaming the girls for men sexually assaulting them.

I know the sisterhood won't like it but these girls knew they had to wear skimpy clothes, short skirts, matching knickers. Many of the waitresses were 'actresses' or models. They worked for an agency which recruited good looking girls. You can bet your bottom dollar that a dumpy 5' 1" actress wouldn't have got this gig.

Now that does not excuse men groping them, not at all, but I do think women have to stop and ask themselves if they want to be sex objects. This sort of life isn't for every woman. These girls want to be admired.

Look online. You'll find pictures galore of women plastered in make-up, pouting and showing cleavage. OK, so they should be allowed to do that, to be admired, attractive to men, safe in the knowledge that they will not be touched in any way shape of form.

We have sort of got dog and bone behaviour going on. Humans have a sex drive. A sexy woman is going to be admired and have men come on to her, because that's the way procreation works - by attraction.

Did any of those women become offended when touched and make a scene - turn around and slap the offender? I bet not. After the event a female journalist says these women were groped. I'd have given the story much more credence if the agency who supplied the attractive women and OK'd them getting dressed in skimpy clothes made a complaint.

They didn't though, did they?

I am not condoning the behaviour of the men in question, no way, but this story is a two way street thing and we do need to question women who work in the glamour industry and the need for them to be adornment to events. It's about self respect as much as anything.

A sense of proportion certaintly missing.

Suppose Mandy Rice Davies who was living with Rachman when she 18, was a naive young girl , the victim of men

I agree Annie and when she was asked if it happened to her too she said it did but didn't say what. Just because it was the FT doesn't mean it was not sensationalised. A sense of proportion would appear to be missing.

I agree Luckygirl, but this was covered by a newspaper journalist not one of the females who worked there that evening , so not really a case of women deciding . She even claimed one girl was touched on the hand. Will any man selling anything now be fearful of touch a woman's hand for fear of being accused of sexual abuse

Whilst not condoning this sort of event and behaviour it does seem this has become a focus for the current " me too" band wagon.
There are two sides to this story.

Most men only events in this context are sleazy events. If I applied for a job as a waitress and was told to wear sexy shoes, a short black dress and black underwear to an all-male event, I might just smell a rat - and tell them to stuff it. The chances of groping and inappropriate suggestions were enormous. Until men change their attitudes then those chances will remain high.

The existence of such an event, to which MPs are invited is in itself ridiculous and I am glad they have finished with it. Let us hope that others will now think twice before putting on such an event.

The endless litany of sexually inappropriate behaviour on the news is becoming tedious, but hopefully the message is getting out there - women have decided they will no longer be treated in this way, so get your act together you chaps.

That's silly Tegan of course that wouldn't be the case. my point is simple really. Why volunteer for such an event in the first place? get a part time job in McDonalds, Costa or the local chippy. Not glamorous enough maybe?