The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

Nonnie

No-one has explained why such an event should be all male? Even if the women working were all fully aware what would happen, enjoyed being ogled and having fat, old, drunk men shoving their hands up their skirts, I am arguing this kind of event is archaic and you cannot imagine waiters at an all female charity event costing £1500 per ticket in a prestigious hotel (if a such events ever happen- and I doubt they do) being asked to wear skimpy underwear.

It doesn’t matter who the women were students or old timers they don’t need to be groped, touched, stroked, and one man actually got his penis out it’s habitat, disgusting man, a pity the waitress or hostess didn’t have a cup of hot coffee in her hands which she held up in horror, oh dear whoops spotted dick on the menu

There were some interesting definitions given on the radio yesterday, I cannot remember by who.

MODEL, Just that , models clothes of all kinds
ESCORT, accompanies a man and may offer 'other ' services
HOSTESS is just that, offers company at large events like this, nothing else, look, but don't touch.

I suspect many of the young girls, mainly students doing this for some extra cash didn't look into what was really involved at an event like this, just saw a chance to make some extra money in the safety of large numbers, some probably never realised events like this existed in this modern #Metoo# age.

Girls, late teens, early 20s, still a bit wet behind the ears, up for a laugh, in a group just didn't realise just quite what they were letting themselves in for. I suspect that is how I would have reacted at their age. Done it for a giggle, not thought it through and then be horrified by what the job actually entailed.

The hostesses were paid far too small a fee for their evening's work. How mean! The agency well knew that sexual services such as putting hands up skirts and so on would be expected of the hostesses.
The rich banqueting men are repugnant bullies of young women who need to earn some money.

I don't often agree with the PM, but I'm with her in decrying the objectification of women. It's the 21st century's or goodness sake!

I hate the use of women as ornaments, eg tens of them lining the stairs up to Formula 1 podiums or accompanying darts players to the stage. "Men do, women decorate" is a really demeaning and outdated concept.

century, for

These women do it because they want to Parsleywin not because they are forced into it. Sex sells. That’s all there is to it really. Whether it be a scantily clad model parading on the catwalk, a Fomula 1 (or any motor racing for that matter) dolly bird, a over made up half dressed bimbo delivering parts to garages. It’s nothing new.

MissAdventure- couldn't have said it better:

'We need wholesale, across the board, condemnation of this kind of event.
That has to come from women too.'

and again, it is women who are our worst enemies ...

They were just kids, and the event was sold to them as something very different to the reality.

Could have been my grand-daughter- or yours - would it still be 'acceptable and expected' then???

But just because its nothing new doesn't mean we have to put up with it today. I suppose you think its Ok for girls in school uniforms to be leered at by men and touched up on the bus - that nothing new either. This is just an extension of everyday sexism. (Catwalk models are usually covered up in couture and aren't there to be ogled by men btw)

Surely though, the nature of the job these women were hired for would mean that they were going to be ogled?
Its very hard to stand up for the rights of people who willingly partake in these events. It doesn't for one minute excuse the dirty old sods, but if there were no takers for the kind of jobs which involve pandering to them, well, the problem would be on its way to being solved.

Wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been a Club of Asian or Pakistani men?

There is ogled and ogled ... and groped

Yes, a vast difference between the two, admittedly, but again, if these events were boycotted then nobody could be ogled, groped, or anything else.

I don't think Pakistani dirty old sods would be treated any differently, except possibly nobody would want to focus on their race, just in case...

Gillybob I do not think these girls were as 'knowing' as you suggest. Some clearly were - and had been doing the job for years but from the upset and distress reported from some of those doing it for the first time, this was not at all what they were expecting.

What no one seems to have commented on is that the newspaper who sent these undercover reporters in was the Financial Times, not a newspaper one usually expects to be blowing the gaff on events like this. Probably eevery single man at that event were FT readers.

This event is a hangover from the days when men dominated the City of London. The young women recruited have (thank goodness) been raised in a culture where they expect to be treated as equals and as people, not goods or chattels to be used as men wish. Why should they question a dress code- black is the colour associated with waitressing?
What is interesting is that the Children and families minister Nadhim Zahawi left early because he felt "uncomfortable". Now if nothing was happening why was he uncomfortable? And if he saw things happening was it right just to leave should he not have protested?

I can't believe people on here think such events are ok because its been like this for years, and that its the women's fault for wearing short skirts and being there in the first place. So by this logic, if you were mugged and got your bag stolen its your fault for carrying the bag, if you hadn't been carrying it it wouldn't have tempted the thief . You should be able to carry a bag without being the target of thieves, women should be able to wear a short skirt without some sleaze bag shoving his hand up it.

And yet nobody reported anything untoward? Not the women, or the men attending?
Why not? I can't understand how anyone in today's climate wouldn't know how to report things which were unpleasant, at the very least.

So rape is an acceptable crime as long as the victim doesn't report it MissAdventure ? surely not

Of course not! I suppose I expect young women of today to have moved on from how things were years ago, when it was accepted that men might push their luck. It seems not.

MissAdventure: 'I don't think Pakistani dirty old sods would be treated any differently, except possibly nobody would want to focus on their race, just in case...'

my question was about the attitude of those here who seem to think the young woment 'knew' what they were getting into and shouldn't complain ...

I don't believe they knew how depraved groups of men can be when given lots to drink, and enough stimulation, plus, in this case, it seems, carte blanche to do whatever took their fancy. That's what they were given, because nobody said anything.

Suddenly we have students who are naive, who didn't understand what hostess meant, who didn't think being told to wear black knickers , bra and heels.

On other threads we read of students who are campaigning for a better world and are engaged in politics .

Really pleased that this has been exposed and held up to ridicule and shame.

Load of Neanderthals.