The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

OldWoman that is very true indeed.

Never assume anything.

The girls who worked for Formula 1 have lost their jobs because some sanctimonious feminists took advantage of one event which we do not know the truth about to complain about the display of legs in Formula 1 events

I think we can all agree that women (or men) should not be touched without their say so. That is a basic human right and should not need to be spelled out. If by the time you are a grown up, you don't adhere to those rules, there should be mass outrage/punishment. However, I think men and women should decide how they earn their living and if they want to strip off, exploit their bodies, etc., that should be their choice. Any coercion to make people do things they don't want to do in this area should be stamped upon. On that basis, surely it is problem solved!

Old woman

Certainly my view of the situation.

Thanks Bridgeit

I may have mentioned before that I hate assumptions.

It is being assumed that all the women were naive innocent young girls (probably students),
it is being assumed that all the men present were dirty old men,
it is being assumed that all the men present acted inappropriately.

Do we know the ages and occupations of all the women employed
Do we know the ages of all the men who were present
Do we know they all acted inappropriately

Not all young women are naive innocents and not all men are lecherous potential abusers and rapists!

That does not in any way excuse or condone the actions of some of the men, nor does it condemn those women who chose to take on the job

Just so, missad.

I think some people just caught up in their own little bubble of outrage. Either that or they're just argumentative.

x-posts, annie. We're on the same page. I just don't get why some people don't seem to understand about freedom of choice.

Of course people should not behave badly, as those men at the club apparently did, bit that's a separate issue from letting women make their own choices about what work they do.

Until yesterday I'd never heard of "grid girls". It seems people claiming to be feminists have complained about this job too so that F1 racing has sacked them. And yet, again, the women doing that job liked it and freely chose to do it.

Baggs, hugs, kisses, flowers , thank you , that is all I have tried to get across,

I posted earlier this week that book Shops were taking David Walliums books off their shelves, someone posted it's their choice, it is and it is the choice of girls to work for Formula 1, events, darts matches , boxing matches etc in skimpy clothes , they are paraded by men forcing them, it's their choice. If a girl chooses to be a table dancer ,which is legal, I have no right to say - you can't do that the suffragettes fought for you to have equality, for me this means freedom to chooses is equality

Human beings tend to need policing on all kinds of different things. Not by judgemental people who are outraged that others make choices that they, personally find offensive.

"Perhaps it would be easier to stick to nobody should touch anybody ( in an in appropriate way ) with out that persons permission " Spot on Bridgeit, but it really should be taken for granted, not have to be spelled out.

10.06 today Gillybob

Gillybob on today’s thread about 5 comments down

I haven't read the whole thread. I'm picking up on what anniebach has said. It's not feminism to tell women what they can't choose for themselves, that because some women find a certain kind of work demeaning, then all women should. Feminism is about allowing women to make their own choices which, as I understand it, those working at the Presidents Club event had.

The one about , ‘soon woman will be complaining if a man pats a woman on the shoulder back etc,

Meaning what Bridgeit ? This is a very long thread and I may have missed one or two comments .

Gillybob, no one is meaning that,perhaps you missed some comments.

The good things is that all of us in our own way are attempting to support the woman we are discussing, I wonder what they would think of our concerns ?

It is free choice to put on scanty dresses , dance on tables , no one forces girls into these jobs.

Bridgeit, it is not that clear cut, I agree men shouldn't grope but this thread reads of female victims and male predators, there are women who don't mind being groped, who choose to table dance etc, who lead men on , anyone who denies this isn't living in the real world.

Posts here claim the majority at that event were young students, no one knows this is true , just said to present the naive teenager victims of old men.

Why do girls choose to go on those so called reality tv programmes , choose to be hostesses , they are not forced they choose to. Did their mothers not bring them up to respect their own bodies or do the girls not agree with their mothers advice?

This is why I disagree with you dj and some others, do we teach our daughters not to look right and left when stepping onto a zebra crossing or do we tell them - just cross, you have the right not to be run over .

Girls choose these jobs , their choice and where is equality among women if we tell them what work they should do and what work they must not do , so easy for professional women to condemn these jobs , there are girls who want to be doctors, teachers , run businesses and girls who want to be hostesses etc. Girls who hope to find a wealthy husband, who want fame so go on these awful reality programmes. I do not have the right to decide these jobs and programmes must be banned .

Those women chose to work as hostesses . They chose to dress up in sexy costumes . They were not forced/coerced into doing so .

I wonder how long it will be before we see women complaining that a man touched her shoulder in passing or patted her on the back ? What is this world coming to?

Oops, I meant to say dressing provocatively in order to be seen as a 'plaything' to men. People are saying they have no right to weigh up the pros and cons of that, and decide for themselves if its acceptable or not. Nobody on this thread has said that then gives men the right to touch, or overstep the mark in any way.

People are saying that women shouldn't 'be allowed' to dress proactively though. They are saying that because THEY believe its wrong, that other women should bow to their superior opinion.

I wonder if (should such a thing take) place how, lesbian , gay , trans, etc only events would pan out . Perhaps it would be easier to stick to nobody should touch anybody ( in an in appropriate way ) with out that persons permission , or that it is stated at the beginning of an event what the rules are, especially as it seems some men obviously don’t know.