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So much for rehabilitation

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maryeliza54 Thu 08-Feb-18 00:16:29

It was completely wrong that they were tried as adults in an adult court.

Luckygirl Wed 07-Feb-18 21:46:50

What a conundrum: damaged children killing a child. It is of course horrific.

Venables does, I think, at the present moment represent a danger to children, and he needs a secure unit with therapeutic input. He is now an adult and responsible for his actions; but never had the chance to be a child. Such a damaged human being.

I do not know what the answer is - they are all victims.

kittylester Wed 07-Feb-18 21:24:22

Despite the fact he is a danger still, he is still damaged by his upbringing.

Ginny42 Wed 07-Feb-18 20:53:22

It was reported that as well as images he had a book in his possession which detailed how to have sex with children and not get caught.

He is clearly a danger to children still.

MissAdventure Wed 07-Feb-18 20:27:56

I suppose it doesn't matter why they may have been driven to do what they did, whether it was through bad home lives. The fact remains that Venables, at least, is a danger to others.

sunseeker Wed 07-Feb-18 20:25:04

Whilst I agree they were just two little boys, so was little James. They were of an age where they would know that hurting a small child was wrong. Let's remember little James died in pain and alone - I will keep my compassion for him and his family. It should also be remembered that as far as we are aware Thompson has not reoffended since his release.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Feb-18 20:16:42

Sadly Nelliemoser they are not alone in being raised in dysfunctional circumstances but not all children unfortunate to have had the same bad experiences, become killers.

You say their lack of education questioned their ability to plead, but it didn't prevent them from placing that poor child's body on a rail track in the hope that if he were run over by a train, the true cause of his death wouldn't be known.

I agree that they should have been placed in specialised secure care and IMO they should still be there today.

MissAdventure Wed 07-Feb-18 20:10:57

I'm torn between thinking that children need a chance to grow up and be rehabilitated, and utter disgust at what they did to that little tot.
I can hardly bear to watch Jamie's mum on tv. Even now, the pain is etched onto her poor face.

Nelliemoser Wed 07-Feb-18 20:05:57

Read This first
www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/01/bulger.familyandrelationships

Both those boys had such a bad upbringing they did not stand a chance from the beginning. They were also victims of really awful neglect and poor and abusive parenting.

They should have never been put through the justice system in the first place given their backgrounds.
Very little education they were probably really unable to plead at all. They were seriously damaged children at early age and should have been in specialised secure care not the regimes of youth offending institutions . They were certainly incredibly harsh and probably still are.

Their offences were dreadful but that was not really down to those two "lost boys."

Bridgeit Wed 07-Feb-18 19:54:22

Absolutely agree with your post,Smiless, Life should mean life for such crimes.
Perhaps it’s time for another review of our judicial system

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Feb-18 19:18:15

So Vennebles has been sentenced to 3 years for breaking the terms and conditions of his release and being found in possession of some vile child pornography. This is his second arrest since his release.

How many of us are dreading the day, some time in the future of turning on the news and hearing that he's been arrested and charged with the murder of another poor little innocent.

Surely the reason criminals are sent to prison is to punish them for their crimes so shouldn't rehabilitation be secondary to that?

The authorities emphasised the terms and conditions attached to their release together with the belief that they no longer posed a thread, to quash the public out cry their release produced.

3 years IMO is a disgrace, 30 wouldn't be enough.