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The Poverty of Brexit

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whitewave Fri 09-Feb-18 08:52:13

Poverty of ideas
Poverty of economy

It seems that NI is as useless said to stay in the Single Market according to EU draft.

Expect a major row from the headbangers and denial from Number 10

Round and around we go.

Gerispringer Wed 14-Mar-18 19:21:10

It’s significant that those Brexiteer posters who were crowing about the Italian elections, where populist parties gained a small majority, didn’t notice that those parties are hugely pro Putin-Russian, as are many anti-EU parties in Europe.

Tegan2 Wed 14-Mar-18 19:13:19

Given the problem with Russia it would be good to be part of a large community, wouldn't it. And, am I just being paranoid in thinking Russia were partly involved with the referendum result here and the election result in America but the government doesn't seem to be concerned about that...

durhamjen Wed 14-Mar-18 18:07:35

That'll keep some people out of mischief, Maizie, sorting that lot out.

MaizieD Wed 14-Mar-18 17:08:02

Just for interest, here's the tally so far of definite or likely moves to an EU base, plus business failures; and a load fo other worries...
(It's too big to format, I'm afraid, so it's just in quotation marks)

"So let me get this right, to date, industries either moving, considering moving, reducing capacity, or shutting up shop due to Brexit uncertainty and rising costs due to the weak £, now stands at;

* Airlines.
* Car factories. At risk 2.7 million workers
* Financial services. 2.19 million workers
* Component factories in aerospace and car tech.
* Games tech companies, 40% of which are considering moving to the EU.
* Restaurants & hotels - Jamie’s, Prezzo, Strada, Chimichanga, as people start to tighten their belts, middle range eateries suffer. 4.49 million workers in hospitality.
* Retailers ( ToysRus, Maplin - gone already; New Look, House of Fraser, Debenhams, Homebase, Marks & Spencer - restructuring, Next and JLP issuing profit warnings) with many others showing significant drops in profit or issuing profit warnings, not to mention struggling independents, all struggling to cope with the falling pound. 2.6 million workers in retail.
* 46% of EU companies with a UK base will be reducing UK capacity. 15% will remove all operations to the EU, 28% will move a “significant” proportion, & 29% will move smaller parts of their operation.

That’s a total of over 12 millions workers in these industries.

Then there’s the other crap that comes with leaving the EU:

* Good Friday agreement in danger
* Reintroduction of roaming charges
* Geoblocking - we won’t get it!
* More expensive food, due to weak £ and import costs.
* Increased cost of fuels, gas, electric & petrol plus possible supply issues.
* Less money for services for example; NHS, local councils, schools etc.
* Leaving Euratom
* Loss of Euroclear
* Brain drain of EU staff from Universities and British staff seeking better opportunities elsewhere.
* Loss of EU staff in NHS leaving some areas critically understaffed
* Loss of EU staff from hospitality industry, hotels & restaurants all struggling to recruit.
* Food rotting in fields due to lack of migrant workers.
* Stagnating economy, with prolonged recession looming.
* Fisheries losing their biggest market (EU) which may cause the collapse of the industry in some areas, (Grimsby being one), due to being uncompetitive if there is no free trade agreement. Loss of EMFF.
* Reduced opportunities for our school and uni leavers.
* Removal of farming subsidies.
* Loss of regeneration cash to ex heavy industry or poor communities ( for example, North East, Wales, Cornwall).
* Gibraltar- that’s got to pop over the parapet soon!
* Food shortages, 1/3 of U.K. food is imported.
* End of Erasmus scheme.
*Loss of “Open Skies” agreement.
*Relaxation of workers’ rights, regarding hours, pregnancy, minimum wage, and so on. Making it easier to fire people.
* Loss of trading opportunity ( has anyone actually checked out the WTO rules )!
* Becoming “little Britain”, we are a service nation, not a manufacturing one, Shipping, steel and mining are never coming back.
* Potential break up of Great Britain, Starting with Scotland.
* EHIC card and the right to reciprocal healthcare in the union.
* Relaxation of health and safety rules following exit to the detriment of workers and the general public.
* Exit from the ECtHR. European Courts of Human Rights
* Exit from CFREU & ECFR - Charter of Fundamental Rights of European Union & European Charter of Fundamental rights. Which protects our rights to equality, non discrimination and human rights under EU law. This also covers the Amber Alert System.
* European Medical Agency moved to Amsterdam (underway already)
* European Banking Authority (move to Paris, underway already)
* Loss of funding for cancer research and other critical medical research projects: Joint Research Centre.
* Loss of reciprocal cross country research into illnesses, and treatment.
* Loss of research grants across all areas, resulting in further brain drain.
* Loss of access for critical cancer drugs
* Lack of clarity as to rights of EU nationals domiciled in the UK.
* 2.2 million UK expats living in the union (either full or part time) may lose rights to UK pensions & reciprocal healthcare, resulting in them having to return to the UK adding additional strain on the NHS and council services.
* UK border controls revert to Dover from Calais.
* Leaving the ECJ which poses significant risks to our security.
* Loss of freedom of movement within the EU, possible reintroduction of costly visas.
* Impact on Sports, Art & Culture, due to freedom of movement restraints, costs of importing / exporting equipment and livestock, loss of the CEMCP.
* UK driving licence no longer valid in EU & loss of green card insurance scheme and loss of Euro NCAP support.
* Leaving the Single Market.
* Leaving the Customs Union.
* Leaving Joint Action on Climate Change.
* Animal welfare and sentience laws: Natura 2000 programme.
* Wildlife Safeguards & Habitat Protection.
* Harmonisation in industrial standards & CE standards.
* Food safety and consumer protection (chlorinated chicken anyone?) EFSA.
* Risk of NHS being “sold off” in a US trade deal.
* Exit from Horizon 2020 science programme.
* Compensation for lost luggage and cancelled flights.
* Loss of European Maritime safety agency along with the Ports of Refuge for ships in distress, plus the Ship Recycling directive.
* 700+ trade deals to be negotiated in case of no deal, trade deals taking on average between 7-20 years, to thrash out and we don’t have enough competent trade specialists to handle even 5 of them at a time. The Swiss / EU deal still hasn’t been ratified and they started that in 1972!! "
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MaizieD Wed 14-Mar-18 15:54:07

Nothing to do with Brexit, says Brexit Central hmm

brexitcentral.com/exclusive-unilever-move-hq-rotterdam-dont-believe-will-blame-brexit/

Welshwife Wed 14-Mar-18 15:15:13

The Dutch news are carrying the story that Unilever are closing their London HQ and finalising plans to move to Rotterdam.
Sky are also due to announce the news.

durhamjen Wed 14-Mar-18 09:26:59

Sorry. wrong thread. This is the one.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-13/britain-will-still-be-paying-for-brexit-in-2064-forecasters-say

Still interesting, though, to know of links between UK government as was and Russia.

MaizieD Wed 14-Mar-18 07:55:19

dj, your link takes me to a Tass story about a Friends of Russia group. Nothing to do with paying for Brexit until 2064.

durhamjen Wed 14-Mar-18 00:00:02

Did anyone hear Hammond announce today that we will be paying for Brexit until 2064?

i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/180313-tass-tory.png?ssl=1

That was an OBR forecast that he forgot to tell us about today. I suppose Tigger was always forgetful.

durhamjen Tue 13-Mar-18 20:56:54

Whatever, it's certainly not going up to what was promised when it first came in, £9 an hour by 2020.

durhamjen Tue 13-Mar-18 20:52:50

National Living wage is going up to £7.83 an hour from April 1st.
At the same time Hammond says he wants to get rid of 1p and 2p coins.
Something not quite right there. Surely £7.85 an hour would make more sense.

durhamjen Mon 12-Mar-18 21:43:06

Another good idea.

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/greencard4europe/?

durhamjen Mon 12-Mar-18 21:36:38

I see the Libdems have got a brilliant idea.
They are going to contact a million immigrants who have the right to vote in local elections and not national, and ask them to vote LibDem, to show the government what it thinks of its Brexit negotiations.

durhamjen Mon 12-Mar-18 20:43:44

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/six-pro-eu-groups-move-to-new-shared-office-for-brexit-fightback_uk_5aa6a266e4b009b705d4d05a?utm_hp_ref=uk-brexit

What a good idea.

durhamjen Mon 12-Mar-18 19:04:21

Another Martin Odoni link. Even more worrying than the last.

thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2018/03/12/the-eu-needs-us-more-than-we-need-them-no-not-even-close/

durhamjen Mon 12-Mar-18 18:10:55

That's brilliant, mostlyharmless.
I love the idea that the tory party has moved on a long way since then.
Since yesterday? Since they were found out?

mostlyharmless Mon 12-Mar-18 15:22:09

Another leaked WhatsApp group. Tory this time!
Members of Jacob Rees Moggs hard Brexit ERG are saying “we might as well have reamained.”

infacts.org/might-well-remained-hard-brexiter-admits/

GracesGranMK2 Sun 11-Mar-18 15:40:00

Thanks for repeating the link Maizie, I had missed that one and the article speaks very much to how I feel.

MaizieD Sun 11-Mar-18 14:21:49

Thanks for the link to the Martin Odoni article Durhamjen.

It's this one (just in case one's struggling with dj's many links grin

thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2018/03/10/rather-than-calling-me-a-remoaner-why-not-try-setting-a-good-brexample/

Caledonai14 Sun 11-Mar-18 12:20:36

Thanks for the link to the Martin Odoni article Durhamjen. Best I have read on the subject by far.

MaizieD Sun 11-Mar-18 10:28:10

WTO tariffs on dairy are around 35%. No idea where Davis got 40% from. OTH, as he doesn't seem to be particularly well briefed (or 'taking in' his brief, as I'm sure his civil servants are trying desperately to keep him right) on anything he could just have made it up...

Getting your Davids confused petra. 'The moon's a balloon' was David Niven...

durhamjen Sun 11-Mar-18 10:15:36

inews.co.uk/news/politics/vince-cables-challenge-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-debate-brexit-live-tv/

Do you think they will agree?

petra Sun 11-Mar-18 08:56:35

I heard that David Davis claimed 'the moons a balloon' but I can't find that anywhere on line either grin

durhamjen Sat 10-Mar-18 23:53:13

Can't find it either, paddy. However, this is good.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brexit-theresa-may-scrutiny-committee-a8242771.html

paddyann Sat 10-Mar-18 23:04:18

someone told me today that Davis has sid that tarrifs of 40% + can be expected on agriculture and dairy produce .I cant find it online,Can anyone confirm the figures and what they refer to?

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