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The Poverty of Brexit

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whitewave Fri 09-Feb-18 08:52:13

Poverty of ideas
Poverty of economy

It seems that NI is as useless said to stay in the Single Market according to EU draft.

Expect a major row from the headbangers and denial from Number 10

Round and around we go.

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 13:16:47

So not only has the uk government capitulated on everything, it has also agreed to pushing Brexit towards 2021.

Watch this space?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 19-Mar-18 13:01:31

Isn't the green ink the bits that have been agreed? There is a lot they still haven't but it has to be a move in the direction of out.

Michel Barnier is now going to take the green and yellow document to the meeting of EU Affairs ministers for the 27 to get it signed off at ministerial level tomorrow. Then he will go to the Wednesday meeting of the European Commission with Jean Claude Juncker, where the Commissioners will sign it off, and then he will take it to the European Council, the meeting of Leaders on Friday where they will sign it off and they will also sign off their guidelines for phase II which is a six page document setting out their blueprint for how the talks about the future relationship are going to work. That will be another big symbolic moment although we know roughly what those guidelines are going to say so there isn't going to be any big surprise. Then, it will be a case of how quickly to talking about that future relationship. Will it be straight after the meeting of the European Council and the meeting of the Leaders or will there be another bureaucratic process, where Michel Barnier takes those guidelines away and clarifies them into an even more detailed document, which is what happened with all the stuff about the transition period, or can they get down to it straight away. It's worth remembering, though, that what the EU says is the best case scenario from those negotiations. It is a political agreement about the shape of the future relationship. The EU is saying it will not be the fully fledged free trade deal that the British government talks about so that's what the next few months is going to be about. Just how detailed is that political declaration and just how much does it look like a free trade agreement.
(Adam Fleming on DP)

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 13:00:52

It is certainly beginning to look like it mamie

Although how appalling to have gone through all the past couple of years, totally divided the nation, cost god knows how much, sacrificed the NHS at the very least, .......for what?

Mamie Mon 19-Mar-18 12:53:06

It is only the transition phase until the end of 2020. It kicks the can down the road. Towards BINO we hope.

mostlyharmless Mon 19-Mar-18 12:46:31

Aah blue passports. Must all be worthwhile then.

MaizieD Mon 19-Mar-18 12:42:00

Blue passports

Unicorns

Cake

durhamjen Mon 19-Mar-18 12:40:25

Don't know if anything is going to be changed or not. Did you see the amount of green ink?

mostlyharmless Mon 19-Mar-18 12:39:01

Mmm. The regulatory alignment that keeps being put on the table and then taken off the table.
Wasn’t it supposed to be “managed regulatory divergence” after the Chequers meeting a couple of weeks ago?
Full regulatory alignment is better. (But please remind me why U.K. is doing this if nothing is going to be changed?)

durhamjen Mon 19-Mar-18 12:38:42

BBC being non-partisan again, journalists from the Times and the S*n on Daily Politics.

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:31:39

most so that will deal with wto rules I suppose?

Isn’t the backstop full regulatory alignment?

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:30:21

We are leaving 750 trade deals!!

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:29:21

Rees-Mogg cannot be trusted under any circumstances.

mostlyharmless Mon 19-Mar-18 12:29:11

What about the “backstop position”? Does that mean that NI must be in (a or the Customs Union) unless a better deal is agreed?

mostlyharmless Mon 19-Mar-18 12:27:22

ww Trade deals during Transition will still need to have approval from EU (Daily Politics Adam someone?).

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:26:01

Well there you go, it seems that the uk has agreed to everything that the EU said would happen except the one thing the EU said we must sort out which is Ireland.

We haven’t because we haven’t a clue.

durhamjen Mon 19-Mar-18 12:22:49

twitter.com/georgescircus/status/975411006234157056/photo/1

Still want Rees-Mogg to be PM, anyone?

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:17:31

Anyone know if the agreement relating to trade in the transition period will need signing off with other third countries? I am not sure how that can be achieved?

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:14:24

I suspect the loons will be spitting tacks

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:12:27

Transition to December 2020

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:08:55

May seems to have capitulated on freedom of movement during transition.

Uk must obey the rules, but will have no involvement in decision making.

I LOVE this definition of taking back control!

Ireland still not sorted.

UK has caved in on everything it seems to me

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 12:01:34

Barnier talking about the draft treaty

varian Mon 19-Mar-18 11:47:04

As if it wasn't enough of a national embarrassment having BJ as our foreign secretary, we now have a defense secretary whose idea of diplomatic language is to say that Russia should "go away and shut up". You would be ashamed if your little grandson spoke like that. Utterly cringeable. No wonder the UK is becoming such a laughing stock.

whitewave Mon 19-Mar-18 11:40:29

His greatest wish and everything that motivates him is to get the Tory leadership. I am 100% certain that this will never happen.

durhamjen Mon 19-Mar-18 11:38:15

If Johnson does have proof of Russia stockpiling then he is guilty of withholding evidence from the OPCW.
What else does that make him?

Gerispringer Mon 19-Mar-18 11:23:01

Johnson is now saying we have “complete solidarity with the EU” over the Russian issue. He’s the person most culpable of destroying our solidarity with the EU. Hypocrite.

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