Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

Baggs, do you expect him to write a book about his life?
There's enough information on there to know about his life.
He's not saying poor me, at all.
There are 3 million EU citizens living in the UK, and 1.5 million UK citizens living in the EU, many of whom did not get a vote about their futures and are still unsure of what is happening.
That's more than enough to alter the vote if they had had a vote.
And they all have individual stories to tell.
He says he has worked in 22 different EU countries, lives in the Netherlands now, is married to a German wife.
I thought you were concerned about science. Where do you expect him to live when working for the European Space Agency?
Or do you not expect British people to work for it?

Good post Caledonia, totally agree

Good post Caledonia - my feelings precisely.

How are the Labour Party “ betraying the British Public”? They’re not in government. If there is an election the British public will vote for them or not. What’s the Problem?

My grandchildren are still at school, but my great nieces and nephews are having their options shrunk by Brexit. The older ones have enjoyed the freedom of travel, study and work opportunities of being in a friendly alliance with 27 nearby, peaceful countries. In my generation of the family, we worked out that we would be worse off coming out and voted accordingly. Now, we do feel as if we are being pushed off a cliff in the name of an ideology we don't support. The scariest thing is the attitude of: We're leaving - get over it." The demonisation of anyone who dares speak up against Brexit (despite them making valid and intelligent points) is also worrying in the extreme.

Baggs, the whole of Brexit is full of ifs and buts (dj)

Agreed. Which is why I said he can't say "will have to", only "might have to" with "might not have to" in equal place.

Without knowing his full story and basing my feeling about the article on only what's in it, he seems to have spent most of his working life not in Britain. The article reads like a poor little me whine based on bugger all actual information.

Who’s being betrayed? They haven’t stated they want to exit Brexit- Labour are saying they want to be in a CU - this is what they have stated previously- they want to maintain tariff free trade and an open border in NI, impossible without being in a CU. Many in leave campaign stated this , many voted leave on that basis. Also can anyone recall when Northern Ireland's 310 mile border with the EU was ever mentioned in the various Leave campaigns? They now like to pretend that "taking back control" was about sovereignty, but it wasn't. It was always about border control, as if we didn't have any. It was always about immigration, especially the Farage "Breaking Point". And yet the British land border with the EU was never mentioned. The Good Friday Agreement is written into British law, so we shouldn’t allow it to be trampled over by the Brextreemists. Keir Starmer QC, former DPP, is one of the few MPs who knows what he is talking about when it comes to international treaties and such trivia, has been edging Labour towards a 'Norway', the least damaging of the brexit options. This would have the support of many Labour voters, most Labour MPs and many Tories as well. If May crumbles, the hardliners take over the Tory party, and we have to have an election, at least voters will have a choice.

A lot of older people move abroad for health reasons, too.

I don't feel betrayed. I feel that the Conservative's have not represented the whole country or allowed parliamentary democracy so if things are moving they are moving to where they should be. My ballot paper only said "leave" or "remain". It didn't say when or how so I cannot see any betrayal of anybody. Labour is still in favour of leaving and has facilitated that in parliament. How we leave is for parliament to sort out not a few hardliners to dictate.

The way I read the article is that he moved for work, to do a job that he wanted to do. It's neither lifestyle nor money.

That's just nasty and spiteful, petra.
I seem to recall that you have moved around quite a lot and appear to have benefited from your stays in many other EU countries.
Why is his case any different to yours?
Why did you travel to other countries, lifestyle or money?
Why have you come back here?

durhamjen
Your perfectly correct: I don't give a stuff about people like him. People usually move abroad for one or two reasons.
One is lifestyle and one is money.
Things haven't worked out as he thought they would, hey ho, that's life, time to make a decision.

I don't think Corbyn will backtrack. He will respect the vote of the public but put forward a fabulous Brexit where we get all the benefits of being in the EU with none of the drawbacks. A down to earth Brexit with cake for everyone.

It's easy for him - he doesn't have to deliver on anything he says.

You didn't read the article very well, petra. That was the point of it; people like you don't care about people like him.
We don't need many astrophysicists in this country.

“I’m one of the lucky ones, working for an intergovernmental organisation, and I can live here in the Netherlands until I retire, but then what? Will Germany extend a hand and say you’re a Brit, but you have worked here, your wife is German, it’s OK? We don’t know the answers to any of this,” he said.

“I wouldn’t ever want to reject my country; I feel at home in the UK, it’s part of my upbringing.”

But if the Brexit push comes to shove, he will have no choice but to give up his passport, he feels. “I felt completely, completely British in the past, including flying with the RAF and being patriotic, but now if I had to make the choice of [getting a German passport], I would. But I would feel a huge sense of loss though. I would feel devastated.”

You want him to have to make a choice between Britain and Germany, and he wants to carry on feeling part of both. The government and the EU have to decide soon, because there will be a lot of stateless residents soon.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-changed-my-mind-remain-economic-disaster-second-referendum-democracy-eu-government-david-a8225486.html

Somebody else wants to backtrack. How sensible.

I can't see why the chap in the Guardian is worried. He's spent most of his working life outside the uk and plans to retire in Germany.
Sounds to me as if he's hedging his bets. If it doesn't work out in Germany, he can come home to the Mother Ship.
He certainly wants his cake and eat it.

Baggs, the whole of Brexit is full of ifs and buts......unless you know differently?

The Labour Party also persists in ignoring the views from the Labour heartlands who voted Leave!
Not doing a great job all round.

The Labour Party persists in ignoring the views of the majority of their own supporters who voted Remain -that is a betrayal of trust.

just saying

and therefore also

may not have to

may have to

The article is full of ifs and buts.

There's an article in the Guardian about UK people working in the EU being forgotten about by the government.
It's by one of our top scientists who will have to give up his UK citizenship in order to keep his job.

Dod Brexiteers expect that?
Are they bothered?

It's been nearly two years and I'm still waiting for 'something to happen'. And it was all going to be so simple....

Ooops! And there's another one - we can't predict the future! All you can do is trot out cliche after cliche!
One single solitary example of my DGCs having their horizons narrowed (and therefore their futures jeopardized) Erasmus. Or shall we just cross our fingers and stick them in our ears at the same time, while humming loudly.