Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

The problem is, Day6, that no matter how many times you read it or are told it, you do not seem to believe that there is a difference between THE customs union and A customs union.
If you did, you wouldn't have started the thread, would you?

"On the eve of my 95th birthday, I can't help but think of my mum and her bravery to fight for me and all of her children in such a barbarous and uncaring era. You must have been terrified when I came into the world b/c you knew being born in a slum my chances were slim to none."

Harry Leslie Smith.

Loving all the lights shining for Europe

Let's suppose that the Italian election on 4th March doesn't go the way the eu wants.
Let's suppose that Merkel looses the vote to form a government on 4th March.
If either one of these votes doesn't go the way the eu wants politics are going to look very different in Europe.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-second-world-war-soldier-army-blitz-spirit-uk-a8225826.html

Harry about Brexit.

Corbyn was congratulating Harry Leslie Smith on his 95th birthday.
twitter.com/Harryslaststand

Harry was wondering how the Tory party recruiting tweeters is different ot the Russian interference in the referendum.

No man is an island -- John Donne, I think.

This as well.

www.radicalteatowel.co.uk/tea-towels/george-bernard-shaw-tea-towel

I didn't think 'not leaving' was on the table.

It has been said at various times by various people in the EU that we could change our minds and stay any time before the end of the A50 period.

Afraid I can't give you a link, though; I can't bookmark everything about Brexit...

"We can't keep THE customs union that we have now along with all the other EU countries as that is what we want to leave.
We can negotiate A customs union, with new rules and regulations."

Oh yawn, yawn lecturing DJ, Stop patronising.
Anyone who has been reading articles online today in an attempt to discover why Labour has back-tracked will have seen that distinction spelled out many, many times already.

"It's about b****y angry that the the brexit ostriches are jeopardising the future of my grandchildren."

You just don't seem to get that people who voted to leave the prohibitive and costly EU voted as they did to protect the future of THEIR grandchildren.

It hasn't even occurred to imperious, blinkered Remoaners that they cannot predict the future. Leavers can't either, no one can, nor can economic predictions made now be guaranteed. The future is not ours to see. The majority of the electorate in the UK look forward to a life free of the Brussels shackles and fear the direction in which the EU is going.

When the EU disintegrates in the near future as I feel sure it will (just as you feel it's stable and the way forward) you may be relieved that behemoth - of what's become much more than a trading alliance - doesn't crush the UK as it topples.

No the world apparently because more immigrants are coming here 206k at last count from all over the world.

He wants us out because of his betrayal of the sick and the poor and the fact that the EU are querying the DWP methods.
What he has forgotten about is that the UN are doing the same.
Will that mean that if we leave the EU, we then have to leave the UN?

Yes but they don’t even know what the remain advantages are.

Even IDS is muddled. Did anyone see him on Sunday politics? What a charlatan that man is and to bring in the poor, suggesting that they will benefit from free trade after Brexit

What on earth does he think is happening now with the EU?

Another liar who can’t be trusted. Tell us IDS which university did you attend? Or have you forgotten again?

I think this thread started by showing a lack of the English language.
I am sure we were all taught the difference between the definite and indefinite article.
Definite - the - the one we have now.
Indefinite - a - any one that we can negotiate to have.
We can't keep THE customs union that we have now along with all the other EU countries as that is what we want to leave.
We can negotiate A customs union, with new rules and regulations.
It's really quite simple, and not at all a betrayal of the public vote.
Trying to keep THE customs union would be, but they are not saying that they want to do that.
I find labour's stance much clearer than May's.

Some people are worried about getting MOTs for their “A frame” towing devices Petra.
Others are worried about a return of The Troubles in Northern Ireland, some are concerned about Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Unilever, Banks moving out of UK, others are worried about having to leave the U.K. where they have jobs, homes and families, some are worried about the fate of the NHS.

They can't answer that, Morgana, as they have no idea.
They just want to Leave, but have all the advantages of remaining.

www.irishnews.com/picturesarchive/irishnews/irishnews/2018/02/23/220040831-b587bfe9-edda-479b-807f-e99b97d8e363.jpg

Kate Hoey condemned by her own constituents for her hard Brexit stance.

Isn't it amazing that in all these EU threads the Brexiteers resort to mudslinging and personal insults.

Maybe they could instead answer my oft-posed question 'what will the UK post-Brexit look like?'

Some leave voters believed Daniel Hannan when he said "no-one is talking about leaving the single market", some leave voters believed the lie of the bus, some wanted to punish the Tories because they were pretty hard done by, and some (especially all those who googled "what is the EU?" the day after the vote) hadn't got the first clue.

Some leave voters want hard brexit, some want various varieties of soft or softish brexit, some have long since lost interest in the whole sorry charade.

By far the biggest single coherent group of voters were those who voted Remain. If any group is being betrayed by the mealy-mouthed stance of the Labour Party it is the Remainers.

"*I know of not one Leave voter who imagined getting out of the EU would be an easy process*"
- our esteemed Brexit secretary said in the run up to the referendum that the "negotiations would be the easiest in history"., and would "take an afternoon". ( this is documented and he wasn't joking)

Nope, haven’t come across anyone who regrets voting to Leave either.
All I am seeing on this thread is more bitterness that the vote didn’t go the other way.
There is no evidence that anybody's grandchildren are being ‘jeopardised’ anyone would think we were facing a nuclear Winter instead of leaving the EU.

I didn't think 'not leaving' was on the table. I thought we would have to apply to rejoin, which would be fast-tracked, I'm sure. Not sure the UK would be happy to accept the euro though.

The guy I know who voted Leave for a laugh has been kicking himself ever since...

Sorry first post didn't go but I didn't change my opinion in the interim.

If we stay in (not that we are) it will cost us money. By us I mean myself and OH.
We will no longer be able to use an Aframe to tow a car

Is that why you voted Leave, petra?
I suppose that I should be glad that after 18 months a Brexiter is actually able to give us a benefit (albeit a rather personal one) of leaving!

On the other hand, I'm seeing thread after thread on twitter from small business owners who trade primarily within the EU and who are just about certain that they will become uncompetitive, lose custom, have to cease trading and make their workers redundant. To which the Leavers' response is very much along the lines of 'Hard Luck'

If we don't Leave I'll offer you that response, petra. It seems only fair....

Day6 knows of no-one who voted leave and subsequently changed their opinion.

I do.

The only person I know who voted No, virtually on a single ( DEFRA) issue, has changed her mind as nothing has been achieved that alleviates her concerns.
Stop trotting out the tired old Project Fear cliche and acknowledge that the overwhelming feelings of remainers are frustration at the way the futures of DGCs are being jeopardised and anger that the ostriches are still trying to convince us (and themselves) that all we need is patience.