Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

I think Labour voters generally welcome Corbyn’s clarification of Labour’s Brexit thinking, not considering it a “backtracking” or “betrayal” at all.

75% of Labour voters backed Remain, but 66% of labour constituencies voted for Leave. A bit confusing. Obviously there was a high concentration of Leave voters in some constituencies (e.g. Boston, Basildon, Hull, Stoke, Doncaster).

varian meant what she said.

Varian do you mean Labour members or Labour voters?
I had heard that two thirds of Labour constituences had voted for Leave.

Because he wants to take the rest along with him?

Most Labour voters voted Remain. Corbyn is moving in the right direction, but he hasn't quite got there yet.

Why do you quote Kate Hoey?
Her own constituency want rid of her now.

"More importantly, were, say, the EU to negotiate an agreement with the US that was in the union’s best interests but against our own, our markets would be obliged to accept American produce with no guarantee of reciprocal access for our own goods into the US.”

EU regulations are much stricter than the potential UK ones with regard to a UK/US agreement, particularly if Fox gets his way.

Not a complete u-turn.
Lots of what was said today was in the manifesto.

A transition period would help Petra. You do have to ask, of all governments, why some of this was not already in place.

Look at the complete U turn on Brexit by the Labour Party.

Can we believe they a) have policies
and b) that they believe in them?

This was the declaration made by Shadow International Trade Secretary Barry Gardiner last August in the opinion pages of The Guardian in an article headlined

Brexit means leaving the single market and the customs union

He wrote:

“Other countries such as Turkey have a separate customs union agreement with the EU. If we were to have a similar agreement, several things would follow:

* the EU’s 27 members would set the common tariffs and Britain would have no say in how they were set.

*We would be unable to enter into any separate bilateral free trade agreement.

*We would be obliged to align our regulatory regime with the EU in all areas covered by the union, without any say in the rules we had to adopt.

*And we would be bound by the case law of the ECJ, even though we would have no power to bring a case to the court.

As a transitional phase, a customs union agreement might be thought to have some merit. However, *as an end point it is deeply unattractive.

*It would preclude us from making our own independent trade agreements with our five largest export markets outside the EU (the US, China, Japan, Australia and the Gulf states).

More importantly, were, say, the EU to negotiate an agreement with the US that was in the union’s best interests but against our own, our markets would be obliged to accept American produce with no guarantee of reciprocal access for our own goods into the US.”

This, from Labour's Shadow international Trade Secretary just 6 months ago.

People voted for Labour because they pledged to leave the EU. Talk about stabbing those of their own in the back.

I feel so sorry for those Labour voters who have been given the finger by Corbyn. They have been stitched up. Totally betrayed by the party's about-turn.

The seamless border security number plate recognition systems technology is feasible although difficult on the scale of the NI border, but according to the Financial Times “the technology doesn’t exist today and to make it foolproof and secure will take time.”
Many years is the estimate.
FT 19th February. Can’t copy the link.

Corbyn and co are letting down all those who voted Labour because of the promise to leave the EU It's an utter shambles.

Before Corbyn's pronouncements two Labour MPs spoke out.

Kate Hoey, Labour: ‘I hope Jeremy realises that to divert from the recent manifesto would be a hammer blow to those Labour supporters all across the country who came back and voted for us precisely because of our unequivocal position on leaving the EU.’

Labour Eurosceptic Graham Stringer said it was vital to keep the party’s pledge to make a clean break with the EU, adding: ‘Anything less would be a betrayal.’

GracesgranMK2
I don't believe it will be up and running properly even by 2019. This one of the reasons I believe in a transition period.
But obviously not the same as the eu wants.
But I believe it will be done.

All this stuff isn't rocket science but it takes goodwill by us and the eu.

As well as money it takes time. It isn't all sitting in a warehouse waiting to be put in place. The attitude of the Leavers always seemed to me to be very like the "it will be all over by Christmas" we had at the before the WWI. It was an uneducated view then and showed a great lack of knowledge and the same sort of attitude, egged on by Boris and the like was just as unjustifiable. Now we are being told we can throw up the technology for hard boarders in an instant. I don't think so but maybe you actually know something the rest of us don't Petra and it's not all a lot of people standing round with their fingers crossed.

And it isn’t right to say that we can’t trade with the rest of the world.

Why do you think Germany has so many more trade deals with China than the U.K.?
Answer cars! But it has not stopped Germany trading with China. I can give a lot more examples.
Can’t trade because we belong to CU? Nonsense.

What exactly will it mean for business to change from an entirely seamless streamlined customs union to one of carrying out business in a country outside of the EU?

Imagine a very simple transaction. On the day after Brexit.

Business is selling say food processors and and is exporting them to Poland. Lorries is loaded and drives to Dover to sail to Calais .
Calais - until now huge lorries have simply driven off the shuttle and continued in its journey. Now the cargo carries none of the assurance it once did of complying with the EU standards and paperwork. Inspectors will need to take samples off for testing for compliance. Everything will have to be assessed from the information on the packaging to the components of the processors. The lorry cannot enter the EU until these samples have been found to comply with EU regs. On that shuttle there were a number of lorries all with the same issues. The ferry carries many more and this shuttle travels back and forth many times a day as do the ferries. It doesn’t take much imagination to understand the sort of bottleneck that is going to occur with it stretching back up the M20. In fact the M20 is being prepared at the moment.

For the export of animal products the problem will be more severe. They are only allowed into the EU through specially designated entry inspection posts. None at present exist olong the border between the U.K. and EU!

This is the most simple explanation of trade after Brexit with the EU and that is before we look at country of origin, the fact that other countries in the world who accept the uks imports with EU assurances on the goods will no longer do so.
We will need an army of customs and excise officers. They take up to 2 years too train. No employment drive has yet begun.
I haven’t even looked at NI
This is a simple explanation.
That is why a CU is such a good idea.

"Takes goodwill by us and the EU."
That's what existed before you and your pals voted for us to leave the EU.

Corbyn's pronouncements and change in Labour policy regarding a custom union described as a "dog's breakfast" and "ambiguous."

Basically, he wants to prevent the UK trading with the world and allow the 27 other member states to dictate the terms. No way will Brussels let us do things on Corbyn's terms.

And would it be fully working in time for Brexit?

Is every one of the two or three hundred crossing points on the Irish border to be manned or monitored? If not any EU citizen would have no bother getting free access into the UK. Isn't that what the leave voters desperately want to prevent?

And costs a fortune Petra.

durhamjen & MaizieD
I like to think that you have read about all the new technology that is being prepared for our borders for when we leave.
Goods being cleared at source by a customs officer. We had to employ one of these people once.
Updated number plate recognition.
All this stuff isn't rocket science but it takes goodwill by us and the eu.

Primrose. Thank you for your patronising answer. I think I understood the speech as well as most people - that was not the question I was posing.

It’s from watching and listening to endless tv and radio interviews and political programmes.I haven’t seen any that are biased all one way.