Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

Definitely need EEA if we are going to leave.

Evidence of how bad leaving the EU will be
www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/the-brexit-assessments-the-government-didnt-want-released-have-been-published-now-everyone-can-see-what-they-were-hiding/08/03/

I keep waiting for that little boy to shout out “But the Emperor has nothing on at all!”

I haven't given up on that, either, varian.

The real improvement would be to just cancel Brexit - OK, I know it's unlikely to happen but I can't give up hope that we see sense in time.

www.anothereurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/aeip-reform-final-web.pdf

Well worth reading to show how Labour can improve on Brexit.

Strangely enough, the Leave EU leaflet said 'don't believe those who are talking Britain down- here's what the EXPERTS say' [then went on to quote Sir Richard Dearlove [former MI6 chief]; Nigel Lawson [former chancellor]; John Langworth [former director general British chamber of commerce]; Gisela Stuart [MP at the time but has now done a runner] and, wow; Tim Martin [chaiman of Weatherspoons]. So, perhaps brexiters shouldn't have listened to 'experts'...of, the same leaflet that mentioned Nissan, Toyota, Unilever etc without their permission

Just listened to Boris Johnson saying he “can’t remember” signing off £46m of public money in the “ consultation “ over the garden bridge which benefitted many of his cronies. That’s ok then.

suzied

Why listen to expertise when you have superbrains like Davis to blindly follow into the sunny uplands /off the cliff edge

All the legal expertise in the Tory party is on the remain side. Does that not concern you?

Ah, well if jackofkent says so, who am I to disagree! ?

The Leave vote was very realistic ( as it is in the process of happening.)

They voted for the UK to be made a mockery of, by its own government.

jackofkent.com/2018/03/brexit-and-the-contrast-between-process-and-publicity/

"I voted for tropical sunshine and I've got snow. That just goes to show you the luck I'm having lately."

A good summary of just how realistic the Leave vote was.

Wally

whitewave I voted for tropical sunshine and I've got snow. That just goes to show you the luck I'm having lately.

Jonathan Lis tweeted

“It is time to face facts, British people could vote for tropical sunshine in November, but if it can’t be delivered it can’t be delivered.

Voters are grownups and capable of making choices. We simply need to know what they are.

I am probably splitting hairs but, if you are talking about the result of the referendum imo there was a small majority, in an advisory referendum, which voted on one thing and one thing only - leave or remain.

If you are talking about the will of the people then only 37% voted to leave the rest either wanted to stay in or didn't vote. Also, Wally is "one of the people" whose 'will' needs to be considered but so is each and every one of us. This government has been extremely remiss in not taking that into account and going with the very smallest minority of extreme leavers in our representative parliament.

You are right * Maizie*

37% of the electorate is the figure I'm always being quoted, varian. But I see where you're coming from. I was trying to be careful to say that it was about half of the people who voted.

I wouldn't be so sore if it had been properly done with a requirement for a supermajority, but it was so casually and carelessly put together.

Mind you, I'm surprised that Parliament didn't insist on more rigour, but I suspect that, being mostly themselves in favour of Remain, that they completely failed to even think that their constituents might not feel the same...

No Maizie

Just over a quarter of the British people voted for brexit. (about 26% I believe). The rest either voted to Remain in the EU, chose not to vote or were not entitled to vote.

As if it wasn't bad enough that we are a country deeply divided over brexit, that our two largest parties have moved to the extreme right and left, that the centre ground, represented by the Liberal Democrats is totally ignored by the partisan press, the schism within the Labour Party between the pro and anti Corbyn factions is quite dispiriting.

When I say the two largest parties, I mean in terms of MPs, not party members. The LibDems have more members han the Conservative Party.

The British people voted for brexit of which I'm one

No, Wally. About half the British people, who voted, voted for brexit. That's why it's so contentious.

And, for a referendum on such a very serious matter, it was deeply flawed.

My son and his family were in Norway over half term. The snowdrifts were as high as the eaves, easily enough to bury Davis. Fortunately they can all ski.

Just pour it in probably two St Bernard’s would be needed in Davis’s case