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Would Labour turn this country into a communist state?

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MaizieD Fri 02-Mar-18 21:53:23

I've been dipping in and out of the anti-Corbyn threads and I find that a persistent theme is, if Labour get into power they will try to impose communism on the nation.

What I'm really interested to know is what exactly do the people who claim this mean by 'communist' and how do they think a Labour government would achieve turning the UK communist?

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 11:52:10

You do keep on dj but since you ask, it meant Communist leanings in the Shadow Cabinet, which if they were in power may well influence thir policies.

vampirequeen Sat 03-Mar-18 11:46:54

I want to live in a fair society. I want good schools for every child not just those who's parents can afford to pay or live in the right catchment area, free university education with grants so young people don't come out owing £thousands, high levels of social care for the vulnerable, good quality housing that people can afford to buy/rent, a well funded NHS, renationalisation of utilities and transport (no one should profit from providing the necessities of life), properly funded support for small businesses, government funded construction projects (big and small) to create jobs and increase the living standards and spending power of the people in general, a fair tax system (close the private and corporate tax avoidance loopholes), the right to practise faith/non faith freely without fear of intimidation and a society that respects and cares for all members not just a few. If that makes me a socialist, a Marxist,a Corbynista, looney left or anything other insult that you care to throw I don't care. We are a rich country. All the things I want are possible. We can afford them. We can have a society that puts people first.

durhamjen Sat 03-Mar-18 11:45:12

YOU HAVE, lemon.
You don't even realise it.
What did your reds under the beds comment mean, if it didn't mean a communist state coming this way?

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 11:38:35

What a ridiculous post GGM2
Who has infiltrated this forum? The fact is that nobody at all has suggested we may have a Communist State coming our way.

whitewave Sat 03-Mar-18 11:36:42

How far the right has taken us is the example of John Major and his speech last week.

He seemed a paragon of moderation, common sense and integrity.

Now take yourself back to the 1990s and (those who supported Labour) how reactionary and right wing he seemed!!

That is how far we’ve come along the illiberal right wing road. It is easy to forget.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 03-Mar-18 11:31:50

There really is some absolute rubbish as well as the more thoughtful information on this thread. However, I do applaud Maizie for thinking it was right to raise the fact the those seeking to spread unsubstantiated propaganda do infiltrate forums with their lies.

Are we going to have a revolution that destroys our democracy and turns us into a Russia, China or North Korea? Well it is about as possible as being taken over by a right wing dictatorship isn't it. Actually, no, the right wing have gone quite a long way down the road to impoverishing large tranches of the population and making areas of the country feel disenfranchise- As poverty is a requirement to ferment either sort of uprising perhaps they are doing this in readiness for a right-wing dictator to take over.

Maybe we should be at least as afraid of Jacob Rees-Mogg and his Catholicism, an ideology which has done great damage to democracy and the country in the past, as Lemongrove seems to be of John McDonnell's faith in the Marxist principles. Goodness me but those men are powerful. I think we should start stockpiling and arming ourselves immediately grin

yggdrasil Sat 03-Mar-18 11:29:39

Here is a list of what characterises a right wing fascist state.

Authoritarian and usually run by a dictator
Imposition of social control with little input from the population
Ersatz democracy
The means of production is entirely appropriated by the big corporations or sold to foreigners
Press controlled by billionaires to their own agenda
Freedom of speech is often controlled
Land appropriated by a few individuals, or greedy landlords
Corruption by those in power
No equality in wealth

In fact, there isn't much difference between the two. And helluva difference from Corbyn's democratic socialism.

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 11:29:00

I will not retaliate in personal attacks MaizieD as that just furthers unpleasantness and ends with GNHQ stepping in with reminders to keeps things civil.
No need for anyone to worry about remarks about Corbyn or Mc Donnell or Lansman, they are big enough to take care of themselves.

MaizieD Sat 03-Mar-18 11:28:11

That is my answer.

Though I do admit that I got the thread title completely wrong even though I explained what I was looking for in my OP. So It's my own fault that I'm getting some completely content free 'answers'

MaizieD Sat 03-Mar-18 11:25:09

You are disappointed because no poster has claimed that the LP with Corbyn as PM would turn Britain into a Communist State.You wished for a ding dong about it no doubt.

You really should stop judging people by your own standards, lemon

I genuinely wanted to know why people thought the way they did

Can’t help you out there.

I never for one moment thought you'd be able to. Like dj, I have to wonder why you're on this thread.

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 11:25:02

There is a huge differnce between saying things about politicians and saying things about other posters on GN
dj ( but you know that anyway.)
I answered reasonably in my comments on the thread but that was not considered to be good enough.
I have already said that Britain will not become a Communist State ( we have democracy) but far left wing ideological policies could well do a lot of damage.
That is my answer.

MaizieD Sat 03-Mar-18 11:21:18

Sad....just a personal attack from you MaizieD as expected!

At least I make personal attacks on people who can see them and retaliate if they want to. grin

Not like all the anti Corbyn, McDonnell & Lansman stuff...

durhamjen Sat 03-Mar-18 11:08:48

Who said, "The reds are not merely under the bed but sitting on top of it drinking a latte."?

Couldn't have been you, could it, lemon?

durhamjen Sat 03-Mar-18 11:04:15

Why are you on the thread if you do not wish to join in, lemon?

durhamjen Sat 03-Mar-18 11:03:25

But yours is just a sad personal attack on McDonnell and Corbyn.
You really have no idea apart from the usual politics of fear.

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 10:58:32

You are disappointed because no poster has claimed that the LP with Corbyn as PM would turn Britain into a Communist State.You wished for a ding dong about it no doubt.Can’t help you out there.

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 10:55:59

Sad....just a personal attack from you MaizieD as expected!

MaizieD Sat 03-Mar-18 10:54:50

So,*lemon*, apart from your dodgy grasp of national economics and a dog whistle reaction to the word 'marxist', you really have nothing concrete to base your 'fears' on?

I was really hoping that all the antis would be able to explain what they mean by communist in connection with the LP and how they thought the LP would achieve a communist regime in the UK. Disappointed so far...

suzied Sat 03-Mar-18 10:37:53

Marxism not the same as Communism , I know KM wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848 but the interpretation of that by communist regimes in the 20th century did not follow strictly Marxist ideology which anyone who has studied political philosophies will know. I am not a Corbyn or shallow (sic) cabinet supporter btw, I just think people scaremongering about communism should get their historical facts right.

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 10:22:54

Of course they wouldn't be able to impose a Communist State here, and I have never seen a comment that anybody thinks that is possible.
Hopefully they would be turfed out after five years, although that’s long enough for them to do damage.

lemongrove Sat 03-Mar-18 10:19:39

No surprise really that all the Corbyn supporters think as they do!grin and actually there is only one thread on Corbyn and Momentum.
Corbyn and McDonnell are Marxists, and before anyone shouts NO McDonnell has already said that he is ( he may say was so as to not frighten the horses.)
They have both certainly admired Communist countries.
Who knows what their policies would be like once in power?
Am sure at first it would be softly softly, but would become more and more left wing as time goes on.
More likely to be a Socialist mass of inefficiency, and crackpot ideas that drain the economy.

vampirequeen Sat 03-Mar-18 08:13:36

No because Labour is a democratic socialist party not a communist party.

whitewave Sat 03-Mar-18 07:46:25

Oh and of course there is the small matter of needing a revolution grin

whitewave Sat 03-Mar-18 07:34:01

It is playing on the fact that people are so Uniformed as to what a communist state actually means.

Here is a list of what characterises a communist state.

Authoritarian and usually run by a dictator
Imposition of social control with little input from the population
No democracy
The means of production is entirely appropriated by the state
No free press
Freedom of speech is often controlled
Land appropriated by the state - no private ownership
Corruption by those in power
No equality in wealth

That should start it off nicely.

So clearly absolute nonsense in answer to the op

M0nica Sat 03-Mar-18 07:33:21

No, Labour isn't competent enough. More likely a second Venezuela.