Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

My grandfather was a communist, a docker and a union man. I am not a communist. I do know people who are communists and I understand the difference between socialism and communism which many on GN do not. They are alas still scared of the Reds under the beds.

Suppose those of the far left would see anyone left of centre as Tory, it's communism belief . My way or no way.

so that we can see from whence she gets her political ideals
from the poster's own words, or very similar, not my own interpretation of them.

That is absolutely fine, as long as there is tolerance of those who are to the left of centre and they are not accused of being of the extreme right.

The posters grandfather was a communist .

Communism is certaintly not slightly to the left and Corbyn and Co are certaintly not slightly to the left.

Now it seems anyone left of centre is a Tory

trisher Fri 27-Apr-18 21:32:41

There we have it - the LP is no longer 'a broad church'
1. Anything slightly to the left of centre will be condemned as Marxist or communist.
4. None of the posters who make accusations about Marxism are right wing (although you might assume they were from their posts)
Absolute rubbish as there are many Gransnetters who are left of centre but are worried about the present LP, about its takeover by self-professed Marxists and about the shambles that it is in. There are many who do not post any more because they are accused of being 'right wing'.

Perhaps it is significant that this poster has told us on previous threads that her relative was a communist so that we can see from whence she gets her political ideals - so we could assume that they are hardly 'broad church ideals'.

The LP under the present regime has become narrow-minded, blinkered and intolerant.

Does Branson have a desk in Tory HQ?

Carillion, Virgin and BAE are all Conservative party donors and have all received government contracts.

Perhaps the time has come to consider public funding of political parties as they do in Germany, Spain, Australia, Canada, Sweden etc.
Cash for Honours is now illegal here, but you can’t help notice that big party donors often receive lucrative contracts.

Who are the immensely rich who have a desk in Tory HQ, McClusky has one in Labour HQ

I think most people find both unacceptable. What seems to be happening is that some want their cake and eat it. Get money from the Unions/immensely rich individuals while condemning those who get their money from rich individuals/Unions.

It appears that for some people it is OK for a few super-rich individuals and a handful of huge corporations to donate to the Conservative Party and have their interests pushed to the forefront.

But the same people find it unacceptable for trade unions, consisting of thousands of working people, to represent their, and their families', interests. And it seems even the 500,000 plus Labour Party members who also contribute to party funds are seen by some to be undesirable.

So if the Conservatives are funded by the super-rich and an ever-decreasing handful of ordinary members, how is the Labour Party meant to continue if it cannot depend on members' subs and trade union funds?

Trish you forgot to mention comparisons with Russia and that all the more left wing posters will never address any issues that they do not feel comfortable with.

Granddad43 said 'he who pays the piper calls the tune. The trade unions fund the Labour Party so should dictate the policy. Presumably he would consider it acceptable that industrial magnates and very rich men can pay for the Conservative Party and dictate its policy.

Many of us have tried to bring reason and create evidence based discussions. We have all failed. I quite agree we have all failed.

Evidence based ? Oh yes Corbyn was responsible for the Good Friday Agreement . Vox Pox writer Mike Sivier , Holocaust Denier , posted on this forum.

We use to be given 'facts' by Mid Wales Mike.

Mike Sivier is/was Mid Wales Mike

Grandad1943 some advice about posting on these threads (although you probably don't need it)
1. Anything slightly to the left of centre will be condemned as Marxist or communist.
2. Any party proposing such notions will be accused of trying to create a government like Venezuela.
3. Anniebach is a long term member of the Labour Party and as such is above any criticism, although her posts are usually more right wing than many conservatives.
4. None of the posters who make accusations about Marxism are right wing (although you might assume they were from their posts)
Many of us have tried to bring reason and create evidence based discussions. We have all failed.
Good Luck!!!

As a long standing Labour Party member, I think the party should continue to be a “Broad Church”. I don’t like hearing about people being deselected if they don’t tow the party line grandad.
A voice of reason.

Michael Foot took the party back to Corbyn's dream , 1983 election ?

Since Anniebach has been a lifelong LP supporter, calling her posts ‘right wing bile’ is not only nonsense, but laughable.
Anyone who doesn’t support Corbyn is now called ‘right wing’ which shows how far left things have slid.
All the hate, antisemitism and general ghastlyness in and around the LP come from Marxist activists determined to push through their agenda since Corbyn was elected.
A pity that you can’t see that Grandad43

on the Bristol Channel coast where it is now quite a nice evening.
well, it has stopped raining but I wouldn't call it a nice evening (very cloudy)

Labour party members anniebach, so would you please read subject matter correctly before pouring out your usual right wing bile
You obviously know very little about Anniebach,Grandad - perhaps you should read the subject matter more carefulloy before commenting?
And, just a comment on my part, but what makes you think that your RIGHT is right? It could be most people's WRONG.

And I will not criticise anyone who could be dyslexic so that is perhaps why you keep referring to her as Anniebatch.

Good grief Grandad - are you Jon Lansman in disguise?

I think Grandad has told us that he is a West Country businessman Day6

Grandad 1943, please do raise your voice to me, I have encountered many far left supporters, for some reason they think bullying works , I will not be shouted at or shouted down

Over the last few decades Labour, Conservative and Libdems policies have shifted constantly. Are MPs redundant because they don’t find they can’t change their opinion with every subtle change? Some MPs have been in the HofC for many decades. Dennis Skinner and Ken Clarke for example.
Agreeing with the underlying principles of their Party is the important thing not necessarily agreeing with every single point in every policy.

Grandpa43, One of the most significant traits of the extreme left wing political posters on GN is that they always ignore the posts that say anything that might make them feel uncomfortable.

I assume therefore that you believe this country should be run with the economic efficiency and political absolutism of Venzuela, China or Russia and that you believe that political parties should have their policies dictated to them by their paymasters.

By the way it is the union leaders who make the policy decisions not the members. I have been a union member for nearly 30 years and have never paid anything into the political fund nor always supported my unions political policies. My experience is that many people feel uncomfortable opting out of paying political dues, so pay while disagreeing with the unions political policy.

Day6, under Corbyns leadership the party has been returned to its grassroots membership and they now decide what "their" parties policies should be, that's democracy.

Corbyn incompetent. Under his leadership the Labour party has grown to over half a million strong in membership. If that's incompetence what would you call the leadership of the Concervative party now believed to be around seventy thousand nationally with an average age of seventy one (LOL).

Anyway I am off to have a nice meal and evening out with my wife and some friends here on the Bristol Channel coast where it is now quite a nice evening. so, by all

Grandad - AGAIN READ THINGS THOROUGHLY AND CORRECTLY ANNIEBATCH AND FOR ONCE YOU MAY JUST GET IT RIGHT.

Oh the uppercase irony - or is it deliberate?
Surely by now, and it's been pointed out to you, you could get it right? Annie is AnnieBACH.

You could take a leaf out of your own book.