Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

Grandad - Remaining as an MP and accepting a salary while in a party whose policies and leadership you do not believe in or support is entirely unacceptable at any level

Even if, during your time in office the party was hi-jacked by a far left faction, fully supporting the Marxist leader and his henchmen? Corbyn has formed an impenetrable inner circle of dodgy characters around himself, ignoring repeatedly his own MPs. Fair on them?

He has proved himself to be incompetent time and time again, and his lack of leadership regarding the Salisbury poisonings and the matter of anti-Semitism existing within his party is indicative of his lack of conviction and vacillation. He has been relying solely on his far-left , circle and Momentum backing to be his cheerleaders. he has become an icon. The cult of personality is frightening and it has worked to exclude MPs who might protest againt this takeover.

Yes, that seem perfectly fair - NOT.

anniebach, in regard to your posting today (27/04/18 @17:03), if you had read what I stated thoroughly you would have seen I stated "The above persons are often not only trade union reps and activists within their employment, but also lay branch and district organisers for both their union and labour party at that level."

Labour party members anniebach, so would you please read subject matter correctly before pouring out your usual right wing bile and naming posters as "parrots". Also I and I would sugest also that you anniebach have no way of assessing what the wider electorate views on any political matter are. I stated that I felt the views I portrayed in my above posting were very much of those I engaged with I my work and are exclusively their views as card carrying members of their trade union and labour party members.

AGAIN READ THINGS THOROUGHLY AND CORRECTLY ANNIEBATCH AND FOR ONCE YOU MAY JUST GET IT RIGHT.

Lemongrove, in regard to your posting following anniebach, it would have made no difference whether any Constituency Labour party felt their MP should be deselected during the era of Blair/Brown leadership. In that period all Parliamentary candidates were selected by Blair/Brown and their cohort's on the very small national executive committee and then"parachuted" in on all constituency parties who had little or no say in their selection or de-selection.

So much for the centre ground democracy you so crave for again in the Labour party Lemongrove.

If as supported by Grampa1943 , MP's who didn't fall into the party line should be deselected, 121 labour MP's would have faced deselection in 2003, Comrade Corbyn being one.

Grandad those which pay the Labour party's bills and provide its core support choose by debate and majority what those policies should be

I cannot believe that you could say that. On the same basis can we expect you to approve when powerful business leaders pay the Conservative party's bills and provide its core support choose by debate and majority what those policies should be

It just shows how far the Labour Party has completely lost its moral compass.

Absolutely Annie
Grandad43 in that case you must think Corbyn should have been kicked out when Blair was PM? Also any other MP who didn’t toe the line?
There were, what, 170 LP MP’s who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn a couple of years ago.I shouldn't think
That any of them are still happy with Corbyn and they would still be glad to see him go but they are good Labour MP’s even so.Nobody should be deselected because they disagree.

Always wise to hear grass roots supporters from all walks of life, one gets a more balanced view , only listening to union activists is not wise , one just becomes a parrot repeating what one has learned from a very small percentage of voters

Lemongrove, in regard to your posting today (27/04/18 @14:55) I will repeat what I have stated to you and others on this forum a number of times. I am not a member of the Labour party, but I do engage with many grassroots trade union activists through my tuition of such members while they attend industrial safety courses I am engaged in.

The above persons are often not only trade union reps and activists within their employment, but also lay branch and district organisers for both their union and labour party at that level. It is in engaging with those persons that anyone will find the true feelings on current policy and in that I find there is overwhelming support for the radical change of polices that the party and the wider Labour movement are engaged in.

Many believe (including myself) that centre politics have failed this nation, especially in the Blair/Brown era ending in the Iraqi war and the banking crisis which we are all still paying for. Therefore polices more akin to the 1945 Atlee government engaged in this country have been debated and adopted at all levels of the Labour movement and patience with those who cannot accept that change has now run out it would seem.

Whether those policies will be accepted by the wider electorate at election is yet to be tested. However, it is only fitting and correct that those which pay the Labour party's bills and provide its core support choose by debate and majority what those policies should be, and those who cannot accept that democratic process should stand aside.

Remaining as an MP and accepting a salary while in a party whose policies and leadership you do not believe in or support is entirely unacceptable at any level. Therefore, should any constituency Labour party find they have someone who is in the foregoing status, then to de-select that MP should without question be carried out.

As stated I am not a member of the Labour party, but all the above I one hundred percent support.

The sooner these "whining Winnie's" are de-selected by their constituency parties or "shove off" and attempt to form a new party in their own squirming image the better it will be for everyone else in the Labour movement.

Good grief Grandad - are you Jon Lansman in disguise?

It's that "My way or the highway" approach that the far left has brought to the party which I find most disturbing and worrying.

Hard left Labour is determined to fashion the party in its own image and those MPs who express doubt but have the wisdom and experience of many years are now on Momentum's hit list.

I find that sort of narrow scope a very worrying development. It's also pretty clear that anyone within Labour who has doubts about Corbyn will no longer be able to voice them.

Momentum now has so much power within Labour it can silence any dissenters. That doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Grandad 1943, if the party had taken your attitude Corbyn would only have served five years as a Labour MP, lucky for him he was able to snuggle down on the back benches because the party was a broad church , now we have the 'toe the party line or get out,sod your principles '

I am proud to be a whining Winnie party member .

McClusky who you claim is reflecting views of many members ? Only 13% bothered to vote at the last union leadership contest , so he is perhaps speaking for 7% of these

Both main parties have, in the past prided themselves on being broad churches, able to accommodate, those with views ranging the full spectrum from left to right. Sure, the Conservative whips are bullies, but the bullying is signally unsuccessful and the Conservatives comfortable manage with both Ken Clarke and Jacob Rees-Mogg in their midst.

What you are saying Grandad43, is that the Labour Party should throw away the knowledge and wisdom that comes from being able to listen to the full range of views and treat them with respect, instead becoming a right little tight little party, a bit like the Chinese or Venezuelans, or even Russians, one set of views shared by all. That is not the British way and is a sure way of becoming unelectable.

After rebelling 500 times as a back bencher, shouldn't Corby have been deselected then?
Or was it actually ‘kinder’ a few years ago.

Grandad43 Didn’t you once say that you weren’t a member of the LP on a previous thread?
Your latest comments sound like dikdats from Momentum!

The Tory Whips can be pretty vicious I hear. Bullying tactics, blackmailing MPs (threatening to reveal their misdemeanours) to force them into voting with the party line.
Politics is a dirty business it seems.

Jalima1108, the present polices of the Labour party have been debated and accepted at all levels within the party and the wider Labour movement. Therefore those who find they cannot accept those policies should stand aside of their own volition. Those who do not accept those change of polices but do not wish to make room for those that do, may well find that there is no alternative but to remove them constitutionally under the rules of the party.

Hard, but perfectly correct.

The sooner these "whining Winnie's" are de-selected by their constituency parties or "shove off" and attempt to form a new party in their own squirming image the better it will be for everyone else in the Labour movement.

Corbyn was a rebel himself of course for many years.

But presumably not constantly threatened with de-selection.

Of course, we have "kinder politics" now - 'toe the party line, shut up, do not represent any of the views of your constituents, only those views approved by Momentum, McClusky et all or be banished'.

Nice.

Yes Jalima she was on good form yesterday, which she isn’t always!

As a long standing Labour Party member, I think the party should continue to be a “Broad Church”. I don’t like hearing about people being deselected if they don’t tow the party line grandad. (Good to hear from you again btw).

Corbyn was a rebel himself of course for many years.
Debate and discussion is healthy in any political party even if it causes problems for the Leadership.

Certainly Diane Abbott seems to have got her act together after her disastrous appearances on tv over the past year.

Len McCluskey is only reflecting what many of his members are stating. The Labour party is now over half a million strong due to a radical change in many of its policies. Those changes and membership figures were brought about by trade union and constituency grassroots activists.

What we see in the Parliamentary party is approximately twenty or so MPs who do not wish to reflect those policy changes in their own views and statements. In that, they seem "hell bent" at every opportunity to cause problems for the current leadership and then go whining to the right wing media when they are challenged in their actions.

The sooner these "whining Winnie's" are de-selected by their constituency parties or "shove off" and attempt to form a new party in their own squirming image the better it will be for everyone else in the Labour movement.

I thought both Diane Abbott and Caroline Lucas were extremely impressive on Question Time yesterday evening. Talking about Anti-Semitism, Windrush and Customs Unions etc.

So the chap who verbally abused Ruth Smeeth has been expelled from the party, taken two years ! Corbyn must be unhappy , he greeted the chap warmly following the abuse hurled at Ruth

Yes, I read somewhere today, or recently. that "McCluskey is guilty of throwing petrol on the Labour Party's already raging fire," or words to that effect.

Most of us want strong and supportive Unions. McCluskey seems powerful - I am reminded of the bad old days of the '70s and '80s when Scargill and Red Robbo abused their power.

The problem is after 2 years of the same rhetoric and behaviour from McClusky I really don't see how he can be said to be ' becoming part of the problem ' to be honest.

Keir Starmer could have spoken up at ant time in the past 2 years in support of his fellow MP's so doing so now perhaps the tide is turning at last.

There are newspaper reports today that Keir Starmer suggests McCluskey is becoming part of the problem so far as anti semitism in the LP is concerned.
I was shocked to see the Jewish women MP's escorted and unsurprised to see Jess Phillips MP as one of their supporters.

And I have so often been told to prove the power of the Unions over some governments , huh