Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

Most certainty they should , how they attempt to achieve them affects us all.

But surely leaders must have the “aim” of reducing poverty and providing more housing even if they can never completely eradicate poverty and homelessness.

mostlyharmless, Corbyn has no loyalty to the Labour
Party, he doesn’t care that he is destroying it, his dream is a communist party in the UK , it is all he has ever wanted and what he is working for now , he cannot work with his centre left MP’s and this is what will bring a Labour victory , all his talk about the homeless , the poor, no leader will eradicate these.

I do feel sorry for both of them annie. Neither are natural leaders. They are both principled people in their different ways. Both trapped!

Of the two,leaders I have respect for May,I certaintly do not see Corbyn trying to keep a tight reign on the far left, he worked to get those who were expelled from the party in the eighties back into the party, he refused to support every leader since he became an MP, with the exception of Michael Foot, and he wasn’t as far left as Corbyn,

I’m not trying to change the subject, I see what you mean about unambitious Europhobic Corbyn being unwillingly trapped by his close colleagues in the role of party leader, trying to keep the right and left wing in line.
I feel Theresa May is also a pretty mediocre leader trapped reluctantly by her party and her sense of duty, forced to take on the poisoned chalice of delivering Brexit and keeping peace between the Europhile faction and the extreme Brexiteer factions of the party.
I don’t think either Corbyn or May will be leaders in a few years time.

I have given thought to him being a victim , no, I may be so wrong but I believe Margaret Hodge who said ‘I thought he was an honest man but he is a devious man’ . He isn’t academically gifted but if degrees were awarded for deviousness he would earn a first .

Day6 I think the word that describes him best is ‘hopeless’.

It is all extremely depressing.

He spent over 30 years in relative obscurity, if he had shown any aptitude for leadership he would surely have been better known. As I have said before I think he is probably a decent man but he is completely out of his depth

He has been an MP for Islington for decades yet once again shied away from speaking out against the local left wing council and it's appalling record of child abuse.

Liz Davies is a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies met with and attempted to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers.

She is reported as saying “After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal (child abuse) is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”

Yes, there is and many decent, hardworking constituency MPs, but many of them are having a hard time from left-wing activists.

I agree Jalima but they don't stand a chance of remaining in the Labour Party no it is backed by hard left Momentum. Labour voters must appreciate the hard left is in control?

Those moderates will be deselected if they do not back Corbyn. We know the party was split strongly against Corbyn so what's happened is that the cracks have been papered over. The moderates remain but they are zipping their mouths if they value a political career.

The only way for the Labour party to reshape itself is for those moderates to speak up - but they won't. It's a death wish to speak out against the hard left, because they are in control, right the way down to the vetting of local government candidates.

Labour is doomed.

So Corbyn still isn't going to meet with them. Those who worked so hard before the election must be feeling very frustrated.

I think this is why many moderate Labour supporters do not feel he is leadership material, unfortunately with Momentum in charge I don't see him resigning (until they manage to find someone else of similar ilk to replace him - at which point they will drop him like a hot potato)

Joe Dromey, son of Harriet Harman and .jack Dromey is considering the Heidi Alexander seat, he hasn’t a chance

Some news on Barnet sunseeker

Adam Langleben ,ex Barnet Councillor and a .jewish Labour Movement colleague turned up to an NEC working group meeting on semitism to contribute to discussion, but weren’t allowed in. Apprarently there had been an invite mix-up. Instead a separate meeting between Jennie Formby and a number of JLM officers is set for this afternoon.

Jalima.

I think that many have said on here that they would vote Labour and many believe that Labour would have an overwhelming victory at a GE if only they moved from the extreme left to a more moderate stance - with new leadership and without Momentum pulling the strings.

I too hope there is a middle ground Day6 Currently I am a Tory voter, simply because I no longer recognise the Labour Party my parents supported and campaigned for. If a sensible middle ground party were to emerge then I and probably many like me would return to the fold.

With regard to Jeremy Corbyn, who had even heard of him before the leadership election, apart from his constituents? He spent over 30 years in relative obscurity, if he had shown any aptitude for leadership he would surely have been better known. As I have said before I think he is probably a decent man but he is completely out of his depth.

By the way is there any news on his visit to Barnet?

Is there no middle ground
Yes, there is and many decent, hardworking constituency MPs, but many of them are having a hard time from left-wing activists.

sorry, back to politics.

And I do hope he didn’t mind being dressed up for the photo. I hate to see animals dressed up.
Photoshopped Mostlyh

Although I do have a lovely photo of our dog when DD, aged about 5, dressed him up - they are both sitting together, smiling.

I am not keen on Blair at all (don't suggest that he comes back grin)

Oh no, nor I Jalima. The man is revolting and of the champagne socialist ilk. I despised him, found him fake.

Is there no middle ground - faux extremely wealthy socialists who live the high life or rebellious, hard left Marxists intent on over-throw of the establishment?

Where on earth do ordinary mortals fit in to what Labour offers of late?

Apologies to the guinea pig in the playground lemongrove. And I do hope he didn’t mind being dressed up for the photo. I hate to see animals dressed up.

Well, we do keep trying to Jalima

Trisher, you are very blinkered.

At least admit as real Tories do that you don't care

Why this demand? You don't know me.

a) I am a floating voter, and always have been.
b) I care deeply about many things.
c) I spent all of my working life in deprived inner cities working with the most disadvantaged in the community.
d) I volunteer for a charity which helps the homeless.
e) I participate in fund-raising whenever I can.
f) I'd vote Conservative if there was an election tomorrow.
g) I am of working class origin and have little disposable income.
h) I suffer from many chronic illnesses.

That's the profile of this voter.

Trisher, you make lots of assumptions. The world has moved on.

But do carry on with the tired old image of DM reader and selfish. Is that one of the "Insults To Use On Those Who Don't Vote Labour" in the party handbook?

We could play buzzword bingo with that one when left wing posters hurl abuse.

That post was to trisher, hoping we could get back to politics.