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Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

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Primrose65 Mon 09-Apr-18 21:00:15

A continuation of Momentum/Intertia/Magnetism/Elasticity but with a less scientific bias. grin

A thread about Corbyn. For lovers and haters.

Anniebach Thu 12-Apr-18 10:23:41

He doesn't think outside of London

Primrose65 Thu 12-Apr-18 10:16:40

Absolutely Annie. It's only for England though, and only where the bus service is not privately owned. I think it's one of those policies where people think they're getting something but realise later that it won't make a blind bit of difference to them personally. I think everyone in London would get one, as the private companies run under a contract managed by TfL.
Perhaps they should rebrand it as 'free transport for young Londoners'?

Anniebach Thu 12-Apr-18 10:06:12

I thought the free bus passes was a joke, he really said this Primrose ?

Primrose65 Thu 12-Apr-18 08:39:37

yggdrasil I agree it should be all over the media. However, Corbyn needs to let the media know what he would do, journalists are not psychic. The only press release today has been about free bus passes for the under 25s.
I would welcome any politician, from any party, putting forward a strategy.

lemongrove Thu 12-Apr-18 08:22:21

Day6 would do as he does at the thought of any military intervention ......nothing.
That doesn’t mean that the opposite way is the best, but sometimes an intervention is definitely called for.
In this case it has to be well thought through.

yggdrasil Thu 12-Apr-18 08:16:08

Day6 It begs the question: what would Corbyn do, if anything?

That should be all over the media, given he is the leader of the largest political party in the country.
You could ask why you have to go to Independent Media websites to find anything !

Day6 Thu 12-Apr-18 00:36:21

TM

Day6 Thu 12-Apr-18 00:35:12

I agree that there are no easy solutions to the conflict in Syria. I'd hate to be the PM. Like her or loathe her, Mrs May has had, as far as I can remember, the most gruelling of Premierships. Cameron passed her the poisoned chalice so she's negotiating Brexit with Barnier and Juncker, chemical weapons have been used against a spy on UK soil, she's had to call out Russia, unite most of the western world in condemnation of Russia, assess the crisis in Syria, and all the time she's had to play ball with one of the strangest POTUS to ever hold office.

The Syrian situation is complex and is a no win situation. There are reasons for us to show our might against evil regimes, to prevent the normalisation of chemical weapons, but reasons to back off as well, as mentioned by others.

All the time we are reminded of Blair's choices. I imagine such thoughts are uppermost in the minds of TH and the military strategists advising her.

It begs the question: what would Corbyn do, if anything?

mostlyharmless Wed 11-Apr-18 21:36:42

It’s easy and quick to start a war, but re-establishing a peaceful country later takes years as we know from Iraq.
The instability might spread to surrounding countries. Children killed and injured, refugees fleeing, needing medical care, emergency shelter and food and water.

Talks and political and economic sanctions are not as satisfying for hawks like Trump (and Putin) but should be the first call. Anything but war.

lemongrove Wed 11-Apr-18 21:12:30

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Iam64 Wed 11-Apr-18 21:07:48

I haven't seen a single person posting here who has anything positive to say about Blair's actions and statements in the lead up and during the Iraq war.
The country took to the streets to say "not in my name'. The march I was on had ex Vietnam veterans, ex Falkland veterans, lots of young people, many many people from my generation. Robin Cook resigned, no one I knew, friend, family, Labour / Conservative/ Lib Dems saw the invasion as anything other than a disaster.
So, Corbyn voted the right way as he has on many other occasions. That doesn't mean he's right about everything.

Jalima1108 Wed 11-Apr-18 20:39:39

Not that I was around then iyswim!

Jalima1108 Wed 11-Apr-18 20:39:23

I was thinking this morning that Corbyn reminds me of Chamberlain.

lemongrove Wed 11-Apr-18 20:31:16

I doubt, had he been alive at the time he would have thought WW2 a ‘just war’ though Primrose.He would have been applauding Chamberlain ( a useful idiot to Hitler).

Baggs Wed 11-Apr-18 20:27:43

Thanks, primrose.

Anniebach Wed 11-Apr-18 20:24:32

For years we referred to The Troubles in N.I. when realy it was a war. Corbyn had no problem with supporting one side

Primrose65 Wed 11-Apr-18 20:15:37

I found this report in the Indy about a speech he made at Chatham House. WW2 was a 'just war'.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-just-war-1945-chatham-house-talk-labour-party-general-elections-a7733916.html

Baggs Wed 11-Apr-18 20:08:52

What, if anything, has Corbyn said about the overthrow of the Nazis?

trisher Wed 11-Apr-18 19:41:22

Yet I seem to remember a certain Labour leader taking us into a war he sold as a 'just' war-that is a 'good' war. A war that would overthrow a tyrant and destroy his weapons of mass destruction. Corbyn then as now was against that war.

jura2 Wed 11-Apr-18 19:37:26

It did- Trump did.

Primrose65 Wed 11-Apr-18 19:32:15

Well, that escalated quickly jura.

jura2 Wed 11-Apr-18 19:24:55

Day6-not many lessons learnt or winners in nuclear war.

Most of us realised, a long time ago, that deterrence would only last until madmen rose to power again.

mostlyharmless Wed 11-Apr-18 19:21:05

I’m sure Trump and Putin have nothing but the world’s interests at heart! grin

jura2 Wed 11-Apr-18 19:17:55

Aren't we lucky and safe to have real patriots like Trump to look after us hey - I feel all safe, warm and fuzzy.

Primrose65 Wed 11-Apr-18 19:04:49

I've just heard some gossip that he's going to offer free bus passes for the under 25's tomorrow. The consensus was 'if he's going to buy votes, Amazon vouchers are better'.

Day6 It's statements like that - no war is good - that I find trivialising. No one can disagree, yet it's distilling all the complexities of the geopolitical conflict in Syria into a soundbite. It sounds like an old Ladybird book to me. War is not good. Jeremy looks sad. Here is the dog.

There's no easy decision to make on Syria and every option available is rubbish in my opinion.