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Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

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Primrose65 Mon 09-Apr-18 21:00:15

A continuation of Momentum/Intertia/Magnetism/Elasticity but with a less scientific bias. grin

A thread about Corbyn. For lovers and haters.

Anniebach Mon 14-May-18 10:44:34

It seems the short list for Lewisham bi election will be MBE and female . So all sorted

Jalima1108 Sun 13-May-18 15:03:14

I will try to cut and paste, I couldn't access it through my link:

Labour politicians claim that they can be trusted more with housing than the Conservatives. The party says that councils it controls have built on average 2,600 new homes between 2010 and now, compared with 1,700 in Tory-led areas. Mr Healey says that a Labour government would ramp up housebuilding (though he has not said that he would meet the target of 300,000 a year set by a recent House of Lords report).

Yet who can be trusted more on housing: Labour or the Tories? Since 1969, when records from the Department of Communities and Local Government began, each party has built around 220,000 houses in each year that they were in office. Labour is ahead, but only just. Labour might therefore have a claim to be the party of housing.

However, it is not clear whether Labour’s recent performance leaves it worthy of that accolade. The party has not provided us with the actual research behind Mr Healey’s claim. The research was produced by the House of Commons library, but they cannot give us the exact calculations either, only the general approach that they took. All we have is the press release with the final figures. The press release gives a link to some DCLG data, which apparently were used in the analysis, but none of these data relates to local authorities.

So to see how the parties measure up, we looked at how many houses have been built in the metropolitan councils, district councils, unitary authorities and London boroughs controlled by Labour (the organisational structure of English local government is fiendishly complex). And we compared that to the performance of Conservative-controlled councils. Data on housing construction by local authority do not match up perfectly with data on which party controls what council, so all our results should be interpreted as a rough estimate.

Our research suggests that in absolute terms, the performance of Labour councils is indeed better. On average they increased the total stock of housing in their local authority by 3,000 in 2010-16. The Tories did so by 2,000 over the same period.

And yet. Labour-controlled councils tend to be bigger, so you would expect the absolute number to be higher anyway. Surely what really matters is the proportional increase in housing stock. And here, Labour does less well. We calculate that since 2010 the housing stock in Labour councils rose by 3.5%, slightly lower than the 4% in Tory-controlled ones.

Even more surprisingly, it seems to be a similar story with the construction of council housing, which Mr Corbyn speaks about constantly on the campaign trail. The number of council houses has fallen across the country in recent years. But since 2010 the stock in Labour councils has on average fallen by 9%, compared with 6% in Tory-controlled ones. In claiming to be the party of the housebuilders, Labour may be living off its past reputation.

Speakers’ Corner
Apr 28th 2017

Jalima1108 Sun 13-May-18 14:55:50

Couldn’t access it, have to subscribe , which party has built more Jalima?
Oh, I don't subscribe, I will take another look Anniebach

Anniebach Sun 13-May-18 14:05:04

bmacca, give it a rest trying to defend a hypocrite

bmacca Sun 13-May-18 13:53:53

Anniebach, give it a rest. Tessa announced in 2013 that she wouldn't stand in 2015

Anniebach Sun 13-May-18 11:22:25

Corbyn has paid a glowing tribute to Tessa, let’s not forget labour lost a true Labour MP in Tessa when he won the leadership contest.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 21:16:02

the labour candidate in next week’s council bi election is a newcomer , this is what makes it interesting

lemongrove Fri 11-May-18 20:43:06

Yes, it takes a while to get to know a councillor and the Party is not as important.

Jalima1108 Fri 11-May-18 20:05:28

confused hope you make sense of that

Jalima1108 Fri 11-May-18 20:04:54

I think that in local elections it is often the electorate votes for the person rather than the party.
I did vote for the party last time because the candidate was a complete unknown but I didn't fancy any of the other candidates anyway.

lemongrove Fri 11-May-18 19:53:42

We always voted for the Lib Dem councillor because he was very good ( and we voted that way anyway) but then we moved area and were lost as to who to vote for, and the Conservative one always got in anyway.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 19:53:38

We have a town council bi election next week, this will be interesting, if we win the town council will be labour controlled, an affluent town in a conservative County, our town labour councillors , one in particular, works his socks off

Jalima1108 Fri 11-May-18 19:44:53

We often seem to return a Lib Dem Councillor in our ward (and I voted for him) but the constituency has changed from Tory to Labour (mainly Tory) quite regularly.

Iam64 Fri 11-May-18 18:22:59

Day6 - I am a LP voter, have been since I was old enough to vote. On one occasion in the mid 70's I voted Liberal because our pharmacist, GP and dentist stood on a joint ticket. They lived in the constituency and were good folks but the conservatives won (as usual)
This year, I voted Green in the local elections. I know the LP candidate who is a decent individual. It was a foregone conclusion the Conservative councillors would win the ward again. I thought long and hard but decided as I've been so disappointed with our local council for so long rather than "waste" my vote on the Labour candidate who'd no chance of winning I'd vote with my heart.
I certainly would not vote for the S Sheikh

lemongrove Fri 11-May-18 18:17:37

It won’t be won by Kevin Bonavia that’s for sure!

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 13:31:49

I assume Lewisham hasn’t a large number of Jews?

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 13:30:05

The local party are angry that they only have six days to select, and angry the bi election is being rushed

Day6 Fri 11-May-18 13:26:28

Lewisham is a Labour stronghold, so it will be really 'interesting' hmmto see who wins it and gets to sit in the House of Commons.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 13:23:24

As a labour supporter not a Corbyn supporter NO , NO,NO

Day6 Fri 11-May-18 13:05:45

Can I ask Labour supporters here if they would vote for Sakina Sheikh?

Would you give this woman political power? Be honest with yourselves.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 12:50:01

It is frighting

Day6 Fri 11-May-18 12:35:44

From GuidoFawkes

"LEWISHAM EAST RUNNERS AND RIDERS

"You can bet there will be an almighty bunfight for the selection for the ultra-safe Labour seat of Lewisham East.

Sakina Sheikh: The Corbynista candidate. Last week she was filmed sharing a platform with Shakeel Begg, the imam at Lewisham Islamic Centre who was ruled by the High Court in 2016 to “clearly promote and encourage violence in support of Islam and espouse a series of extremist Islamic positions”. In 2006 Begg reportedly told his followers to travel to Palestine to “fight the Zionists”. Sheikh’s candidacy at the local elections was endorsed by Begg’s Lewisham Islamic Centre, which has been linked to the killers of Lee Rigby. Sheikh has also appeared on Russia Today and written several articles for the communist Morning Star newspaper. Can see why the Corbynistas like her…

Claudia Webbe: Former Ken Livingstone adviser who wrote a letter defending Ken when he compared a Jewish journalist to a concentration camp guard. Relative of
Simon Webbe from Blue.

Nadine Houghton: GMB organiser. Red Roar reports she is “a former member of The Socialist Party (previously, Militant) who once wrote in an Alliance of Workers’ Liberty (AWL) pamphlet on Labour”. Sounds fun.

Kevin Bonavia: The moderate choice. Lewisham Cabinet member. Solicitor.

Aaron Bastani: Formerly chair of the neighbouring Lewisham West CLP, Bastani is local but has bottled standing. Shame, Chris Williamson could do with some company in Westminster.

Jon Lansman: Lives down the road in a multi million pound apartment at Shad Thames, overlooked by the Corbynistas for the Labour General Secretary gig, has previously been tipped for a tilt at parliament before. Too male, pale and stale?

Tom Copley: He’s a Labour London Assembly member, lives in Lewisham, and is the newly elected councillor for Sydenham. LGBT activist, formerly Ken Livingstone’s campaign manager. Told friends he’s tempted but thinks it will be an all women shortlist.

The winner will be defending a cushy 21,000 majority "

It's frightening. This is the make-up of Corbyn's Labour Party.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 12:28:04

Couldn’t access it, have to subscribe , which party has built more Jalima?

Jalima1108 Fri 11-May-18 11:27:19

An article about housing from a year ago which is interesting:

www.economist.com/blogs/speakerscorner/2017/04/battle-builders

That is not to say that either party has done enough.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 10:31:41

All is not well in Lewisham East by election, the short list has been decided by the NEC and local members have called the process - a stitch up,, the front runner being touted is Phyll Opuku-Gyimah , a trade union official and co founder of UK Black Pride

Sakina Sheikh is getting support from left wing members and Momentum.