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How can we 'take back control' - by going totally against our own Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy?

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jura2 Fri 13-Apr-18 21:05:27

Agreed- because it makes no sense at all- to want Sovereignty back on a totally foreign and alien concept of democracy, which is totally Un-British.

MaizieD Fri 13-Apr-18 20:54:48

I don't think there's much interest here in our constitution and parliamentary democracy, jurasad

jura2 Thu 12-Apr-18 19:50:25

So I'll repeat the basic premise here:

As said, some Democracies are 'direct' - people can get a petition going, and if they get enough signatures, it can be put to the vote, and a majority will win, even if small. It is actually quite rare- Switzerland, my birth country, is one.

The UK is not, and has not been for many Centuries- That is the absolute backbone of UK Democracy- that a/ Referendum can only be advisory (and NO PM has any right to promise it could be anything but- by OUR OWN LAWS...) and that we elect MPs (with a not at all democratic system of First Past the Post system- which means anyone who lives in an area not representative of their views or politics know that their vote is null and void and will go straight into the bin- so not considered Democratic by most other countries) - and that those MPs, in Our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy, will represent us and make the Laws and major decisions on our behalf (with the help of a totally Undemocratic second Chamber, the House of Lords).

THAT IS OUR SYSTEM - like it or not- think it fair or not, believe it democratic or not. And insisting on by-passing it for a direct popular decision- is totally against OUR political system. Hence the total contradiction.

If we want to change our system- then we should embark on a massive re-shaping of our whole voting, electing, etc- system. I am, for instance, in favour of getting rid of First Past the Post System, as my vote in the UK, nor my OH's- has ever counted and we knew in advance that it would not- because of where we lived. But then- it is a whole different ball game. Cameron had no right to say 'ah well, let's pretend we are Swiss for a bit, ans see what's what'. Nonsense.

Whatever we think of Brexit. Whether Leaver or Remainer - it makes no difference to our political system:

the UK IS a Parliamentary Democracy, pros, cons, warts and all.

jura2 Thu 12-Apr-18 19:48:08

To stop digression on the AIBU thread- best keep it separate.

jura2 Thu 12-Apr-18 19:47:35

Makes no sense at all.

Either we want our own system of Parliamentary Democracy - or we don't.