Now Sajid Javid suffers racist abuse from Corbyn supporters.

Baggs quote[ People on this thread don,t need to call for an apology from TM. She has already given one.] End Quote

Theresa May should do more than apologize, she should resign. Many of the Windrush generation has had their lives wrecked by the immigration policies of this government.

Many of that generation has been refused re-entry to Britain when they have gone back to visit relatives, etc.

Others have been refused treatment on the NHS when they have most needed it.

Some are being denied their pension rights even though they have worked and paid taxes in Britain for very many years.

Others have been denied access to many social services because they cannot prove their British citizenship.

The above is not just an apology matter, it is a resigning matter for Theresa May as much of what happened took place while she was Home Secretary. She should get out of the way and let someone with a vestige of decency take over as Prime Minister.

Although, it may be difficult to find someone with a vestige of decency on the Tory Benches.

TY, mh. Not sure I can watch it though; we don't have a TV licence. Don't suppose there's a transcript?

What I was thinking is this: KGM's parents were born in India. He was born in Liverpool, UK. He and his siblings are British. I presume his parents were too.

So, in that respect the Windrush generation can be seen as "people like" him.

Which is not insulting.

However, I haven't seen the whole context.

baggs
This is the Krishnan Guru-Murthy interview. Roger Gale did backtrack without apologising.

inews.co.uk/video/krishnan-guru-murthy-people-like-you-godsiff-channel-4-news/

jalima
The word was used against Nat Kingcole back in the 50s for exactly the same reason

I guess we could have a thread entitled "Diane Abbott subject to sexist and racist abuse by Tory supporters", but that wouldn't be news as its been happening for years.

Yes it does mean that Jalima

Just playing devil's advocate here, as HATE any kind of racial/gender stereotype, but doesn't coconut used in this way mean black on the outside but white on the inside, & therefore 'guilty' of bailing out on the black community?

I don't know, haven't heard that expression before - but a Home Secretary should be concerned about all communities and all members of society surely?

I am sure Sajid Javid will do just that, having been born and brought up in humble surroundings and now occupying one of the most influential offices of state.

Not saying your complaint isn't justified, mh, only that there is not sufficient information in your post to make a considered judgment.

People on this thread don,t need to call for an apology from TM. She has already given one.

Also, why should a tory MP resign because he has been talking about illegal immigrants?

What was the rest of the sentence/context of the phrase "people like you"? I'm sure there are plenty of people like Krishnan Guru-Murthy just as there are plenty like me. It depends what 'like' is referring to whether it is offensive or not.

Agree, double standards.

A Tory MP has given an awkward interview on immigration in which he referred to Channel Four presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy as "people like you".

Sir Roger Gale appeared on Channel Four News last night to talk about the problems facing the Windrush generation with Labour's Chuka Umunna.

But the veteran Tory insisted on talking about the problems of illegal immigrants - regardless of the fact that the people who came to the UK in the post war period are British citizens

This was live on Channel 4 yesterday!

Nobody on this thread seems to have called for his resignation or an apology and firm action from Theresa May.

Double standards? Or do you just expect it from a Tory MP?

Including the racist policy of the whole Conservative party in regard to the Windrush generation annie

Abbott was right to condemn racism , everyone must, if they think it is wrong

nigglynellie: That's very commendable of Ms Abbott, but I still don't see why JC couldn't do as annie suggested and just condemn racism wherever it comes from and to wherever it is directed regardless of party.
He has of course, many times. But if he had to do that every time someone claiming to be a Corbyn supporter posts a racist remark he'd never have time to talk about anything else.
And the rampant racism in the Tory party is ignored in the national news

@Grandad

The Windrush thread is, for some obscure reason, on the AIBU forum

That's very commendable of Ms Abbott, but I still don't see why JC couldn't do as annie suggested and just condemn racism wherever it comes from and to wherever it is directed regardless of party.

I take it these racists were all wearing big badges proclaiming support of Corbyn? I'm not a supporter but I daily watch the leader of the SNP be accused of all manner of things in the press and online...things she didn't do or say or condone .I would imagine Mr Corbyn has the same done to him.In other words disregard anything written or said in/on MSM . It's State sponsored media which is reminiscent of Pravda at its worst ,the media needs to distance itself from opinions and just supply FACTS .Then we can make up our own minds .

Yesterday's debate was led by Diane Abbott for Labour and she did respond:

From Hansard: Ms Abbott
"I simply want to respond to the Home Secretary by saying that I have been online condemning the racist abuse against him. I know what racist abuse is. Everyone in the Opposition, without exception, condemns the names that he has been called."

All racist abuse is wrong, and there is no question that if any Labour Party member is found responsible then they should be expelled from the party. Unfortunately there is a high level of racist abuse on social media and it is especially rampant on right wing sites, which attack any person of colour, from all political parties being subjected to this daily.

I think the likes of Facebook and twitter could do more because often when you report it, they just send back that it doesn't contravene their community standards.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/05/diane-abbott-more-abused-than-any-other-mps-during-election?CMP=share_btn_link

Anniebach, you state there is a thread on the Windrush generation, but I fail to see that in this section of the forum as I would love to post my thoughts on that situation. However, as this thread is about racism why not discuss those disgusting words and actions in regard to all who engage in such, be they organizations or individuals.

anniebach, you have stated that you have held membership of the Labour party for fifty years. In that, I can understand that you may not appreciate the policy changes in the party or like the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, but you did state in a different thread that you wished to see him elected as our prime minister.

Therefore in the above, at the very least I would feel that you would wish to see balance in any discussion of the Labour leader. In that, would you not would wish to run in support of any comparison of the direct policy actions of the Conservative party and its leadership in regard to the Windrush generation and the words of some who may not even be Labour party members in regard to the new Home Secretary.

I like many do not expect the Labour party to do well today (03/05/2018) in the council elections due to the anti-Semitism publicity and Corbyns lack of charisma in parliamentary debate. However, as both of us are subscribing members of the Labour movement (you anniebach as a Labour party member an myself as a trade union member) then our ambition should surely be to ensure balance in any debate on racism.

In the above, making direct comparisons with direct racist policy actions of the Conservative party with the words of some in (and not in) the Labour party can only benefit our organization in what could be a difficult night.

If as you say Trisher “presumably either they find it acceptable or it is somehow different”

We can say the same when anti racism was discussed in the house Abbott said she had been the victim of abuse, she is not of Jewish heritage is she ?

Trisher, I am sure everyone is aware this is not the only time there has been racist verbal attacks . Justifying them is wrong in my opinion, not in yours . All Corbyn had to do was say racist abuse is wrong and the Labour Party condemns it

Then I apologise Oldwoman, I didn’t realise it was a joke . We must always speak out against racism, it is vile

"Oldwoman, it has been said and wasn't condemned and you too are defending the silence"

Anniebach Can I please make it clear that my comment about it all being a conspiracy was meant as a joke (perhaps not a very good one) as some commentators are saying those posting the racist remarks "may not be Corbyn supporters"

I have mentioned before that I have been on the receiving end of racist comments - having married an immigrant so I would never defend anyone making or condoning by their silence such remarks. Mr. Javid has achieved so much through hard work and intelligence and to be called such vile names is inexcusable.

If the leaders of party's whose members racially abuse others choose to endorse or ignore their supporters comments then there is nothing other party leaders can do. In the case of the abuse of Sajid Javid, a good proportion of these horrible people support JC, and the Labour party therefore it is up to him to disown them. Anybody behaving like those while supporting the Conservative party would (I hope!) be given short shrift by its leader, likewise the Liberals. If Ukip or other right wing party leaders choose to endorse this sort of behaviour, there's nothing other leaders can do, except make it crystal clear that it will not be acceptable in their party. This is something J.C lamentably fails to do.

Interesting that Sajid Javid and the Daily Mail failed to mention the abuse by right wing supporters. Presumably either they find this acceptable or it is somehow different?
The only other conclusion is that racism is being played as a political card and used to disguise and draw attention away from the very real problems some people face.
From Metro
Right-wing Twitter users attacking Mr Javid included @Steve2451, who wrote: ‘Another demanding P* in power for Muslims.’
And London mayor Sadiq Khan also came in for abuse after congratulating Mr Javid on his appointment.
Flamen1944 tweeted on the timeline of former Ukip leadership candidate Anne Marie Waters: ‘A Sajid Javid and a Sadiq Khan governing in western countries — something is terrible, terrible wrong here!
‘How can it be legal for them to run for office?’
These apparently are to be ignored.