Now Sajid Javid suffers racist abuse from Corbyn supporters.

There is a thread on Windrush

Janeainsworth, lash out? No I did not, I gave my views on racism and those who excuse it, there is no excuse, if one thinks it is unacceptable then why not say so?

Is it not always right to condemn racist abuse and racist attacks or not?

You're entitled to your view Grandad as are the rest of us on here. I think we are actually discussing the racist abuse being directed at the Home Secretary and JC's reaction to it together with the rampant anti semitism that bedevils the current Labour party.

If this happened during a parliamentary debate why didn’t the Speaker intervene I wonder?

anniebach Sorry cannot agree, racism is vile, have you been subjected to it
Yes, actually.
A person chooses their political views, no one chooses skin colour or which country to be born in That doesn’t diminish the offensiveness of calling someone a neofascist.
I accuse Corbyn of being a hypocrite, if I were black it would be excused if you called me Topsy
That sentence defeats me Im afraid, but I’ve already said I’m not excusing, defending or condoning anyone anniebach, do you ever read other people’s posts before lashing out?

I appreciate he has to get it checked out, but surely even if he had been greeted with this with no previous knowledge, he would have stood up and made it quite clear that if these horrible comments were substantiated, he would condemn them in the most robust terms! But he sits on his hands, or leaves the chamber!

Quote anniebach [More defence for racist abuse grandad1943, this is what Corbyn supporters have done to the Labour Party,] End quote.

And the Windrush scandal has demonstrated what racism has done to the Conservative party. Total Conservative party membership down to now around seventy thousand with an average age of seventy one. Many of those seem to want a return to a Britain of totally white faces all with BBC accents.

In the above, they care little for the lives they have wrecked among people who were invited here to help rebuild the UK economy following the second world war. Since 2014 those people have been seen as "soft targets", without papers and therefore without rights.

They were used as pawns in "who cares and anything goes" attitude by the Government under pressure from its grassroots pensioner membership who wish for a return to the long gone Britain of their youth.

Angela Rudd knew exactly what was going on and so did Theresa May in her time as home Secretary but did not care until they were "caught out" in their disgusting, racist abuse of people who cannot prove that they are British Citizens.

In the above, those West Indians were informed no papers were necessary at the time of their arrival in Britain, but half a century later a racist conservative government suddenly find those papers are necessary and even today deportation is still being threatened against those who cannot prove the legitimacy of their arrival.

The above are not just words in a right wing newspaper, they are carefully considered policy actions that have wrecked peoples lives and bring to mind the old adage that "actions speak far louder than words" very true to the Windrush generation.

Of course the Daily Mail printing under the orders of its extreme right wing owner from his offshore tax haven would wish to drop the actions of Windrush scandal in favour of words against a Tory minister. However, that is today's Conservative party were money is everything and people mean very little.

smileless: Corbyn may not know who they are yygdrasil but if they are racially abusing someone in his name and he doesn't agree with their racial slurs, he should speak out against it.

True. But if the first he has heard of it is when it is in the news, or thrown at him across the HoC, he really has to get it checked first. There are so many slurs and lies going round, you can't be sure the abuser is who they say it is.
Oh and by the way
evolvepolitics.com/eigtheen-tory-councillors-and-candidates-were-suspended-for-racism-and-abuse-last-month-alone/

Sorry cannot agree, racism is vile, have you been subjected to it ?

A person chooses their political views, no one chooses skin colour or which country to be born in.

I accuse Corbyn of being a hypocrite, if I were black it would be excused if you called me Topsy ?

anniebach Is neo facist a racist slur

No, it isn’t. But it is still a slur, and a vile one when you look at the words and deeds of neo-fascists in this country and elsewhere. The murder of Jo Cox, for example.

I’m not defending anyone. I deplore abuse from anyone, whether it is under parliamentary privilege or online or wherever.
But I think that politicians who dish out abuse themselves shouldn’t be surprised when it’s thrown back at them.

What troubles me is defending Corbyn for not speaking out is defending those who posted the racist attacks

Exactly Annie.

It's like nee-ner playground calling from some Corbyn supporters.

Instead of trawling through sources and digging out past parliamentary racism to deflect from Corbyn's silence (acceptance) a few posters are trying to do a cover up job.

Corbyn failed to denounce his racist supporters. Surely left wingers are concerned too? Or is Corbyn the icon beyond criticism?

Mr Corbyn would have leapt to his feet to roundly denounce this racist offensive language in no uncertain terms and make it quite clear that this was totally unacceptable wherever it was coming from!

Exactly nigglynellie
How hard could that be?

Isn't that a first reaction from anyone who abhors racism? I am failing to understand Corbyn's silence. In the wake of the anti-semitism horror it would have been a simple, easy step to confirm it bothered him and it was unacceptable.

But he couldn't be bothered. He will back anyone who supports him, no matter how nasty, it would seem. That is a concern.

What troubles me is defending Corbyn for not speaking out is defending those who posted the racist attacks .

Calling a man Uncle Tom isn't as bad as calling someone a neo facist ?

Calling a man a coconut can be ignored because Thatcher was condemned for calling a man a terrorist ?

Please don't do this

"Don’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. What side of the political fence do you think they are on and likewise Day6"

I was waiting or someone to point out the link was to the dreaded Daily Mail. Bingo. Didn't have to wait long.

Sadly, it happened, no matter which rag or online source reports it. I checked there were others. Left wing loving papers are likely to hide the fact that Labour supporters are thuggish and Corbyn is doing his usual weasly squirming. He is unable to denounce far left racists who support him or anti- Semites.

That's the concern.

No concern for Javid but OMG - it's from the Daily Mail!

Racist abuse should not be even remotely tolerated, never mind where it comes from or to whom it is directed. It should be an absolute No No along with anti semitism, and stamped on vigorously wherever it occurs by EVERYONE, including JC!

It is true , he did not speak out .

Not a JC supporter in anyway, shape or form. I fully agree with nellie, don’t think I’ve ever seen him speak without having notes to prompt him, which is probably what is stopping him here, can’t have him having to think on the spot.

I’m also reluctant to believe anything I read in the DM, and the same for the mirror. Both opposite ends of the political spectrum, but both so blatantly full of one sided rubbish. However whether the story is to be believed or not, I too expect ALL politicians to be speaking against this abhorrent behaviour.

Regarding the abuse he (or other political figures) are receiving on Twitter, I question how many of those ‘dishing it out’ are genuine political supporters, and not just racist idiots. However these facts are absolutely irrelevant, and just as he did when Dianne Abbot was victim to it, JC should be speaking out.

What angers me is his wriggling, he posted on an anti Semitic site but didn't read the posts. He awards Lady Shami with a seat in the Lords for finding the Labour Party was not anti Semitic then apologise for anti semitism in the Party. He warmly greeted a man who verbally attacked a Labour MP ,a Jew, no matter she fled from the room distressed.

We cannot defend this , all racist abuse is wrong

Difference is Grandad, that the disgraceful Windrush debacle has been recognised, apologised for profusely, head(s) have rolled, hands put up, compensation promised. The racist abuse to San is Javid is obviously not only condoned by the the Labour leadership but actively encouraged because he's a Tory! Were it the other way round the outrage would be apoplectic.

They may not be Corbyn supporters Oldwoman but if he doesn't distance himself from their racist comments it can be viewed that he's in agreement with them.

When Thatcher referred to Nelson Mandela as a terrorist Eleothan she wasn't condoning racism, supporting apartheid or making a comment based on the colour of his skin.

At that time his party was involved in acts of terrorism. Their cause may have been just but some of the methods used were not.

Oldwoman, it has been said and wasn't condemned and you too are defending the silence

Well said niggly

kitty, not you, like me you have condemned it not defended it.

There is no defence for failing to condemn racist abuse

""However, if such comments have been made, who's to say that these people are real Corbyn supporters?"

It's all a conspiracy!!!

More defence for racist abuse grandad1943, this is what Corbyn supporters have done to the Labour Party,

Corbyn not speaking out condemning racist abuse against a Tory MP is ok because he spoke out against racism in the eighties.

Corbyn not speaking out condemning racist abuse against a Tory MP is ok because some have made accusations of neo facism

It may have been reported in the DM but the abuse was on Twitter and Facebook (I believe) and directed at Sajid Javid. In the past when such abuse has been directed at Diane Abbott everyone has been denouncing it (quite rightly) but because Mr. Javid is a Tory it seems to be OK.