Conservatives and Pendle Council

If that is the case - why on earth did the voters in Pendle vote for her? What is wrong with them?

One might extrapolate from that that the people who voted for her are also racist and approved of her 'joke'. As they are likely to have been tory voters who have stayed 'loyal' to her despite her suspension, perhaps it indicates that racism is endemic in the tory party...

Grandad, you seem very well informed about the domestic arrangements in homes other than yours. Of course it's very commendable to share household/parenting duties equally, but I really don't think that you can generalise about households of which you have absolutely no knowledge! Even in these days of equality I know for a fact that still a lot of woman are automatically responsible for much of the day to day running of the home, not every home houses a modern man! Undoubtedly a lot of woman would over this bank holiday, have been busy with family and friends and not have had the time or perhaps the inclination to be on GN. Deliberately winding people up with sarcasm is pretty pathetic really, and doesn't add anything to any discussion.

We are having a few days away in Devon at a hotel, and I am dictating this from a shady spot in the garden using my phone on LTE connection. Any posting only takes a few, minutes with voice recognition (not always perfect but acceptable) and I would have believed that those which felt so strongly on racism in the party they support would have found the same commitment in this disgusting matter in regard to the Conservatives.

Again, I wonder why.


Well, have only just looked on GN today after a few days doing other things - over the Bank Holiday weekend.

Is there something I'm missing here - did the voters of Pendle vote this woman in as an Independent? Then, in order to gain control of the Council, the Conservatives re-admitted her into the party?

If that is the case - why on earth did the voters in Pendle vote for her? What is wrong with them?

Quote lemongrove [ Grandadall your posts to wind me up simply do not work. Carry on if you like in being personal in your posts, but you will find you are the only one on this thread who is doing it.Thankfully.] End Quote

Lemongrove, if you look back at your own posts in this thread you will see that it was you who fist became "personal" with myself. Along with the foregoing, if you look back at your posts over any number of weeks you will see that trait repeated by you with a number of forum members.

The above was especially prevalent when Whitewave began a thread in regard to "news from the Opposition" and you lemon entered that thread taunting him in regard to that thread and why he was not posting in the Corbyn thread. You stated "do you not like what is said over there" or words to that effect.

So Lemongrove, do not post on forum members making personal comments to yourself if you insist on making personal comments to them.

Posters may do as they please Ilovecheese What I actually meant was several posters including myself have already said how awful that so called joke was and that this councillor should not have been reinstated.I think I have said it at least three times.Am interested in other views but nobody has disagreed , thankfully, so there isn’t a lot more to say on it really.

Welll I’ve doubled checked on FB - to share a post you click on share and then a menu with 4 choices comes up and you have to click again to share. There is no delete choice

Yes, it is quite a process to share something as you say Marye - but you can hide a post on your own page quite easily and at the same time request not to see any more posts from that source.

So posters can't come on this thread and repeat the same things over and over again but it is fine for them to do so on the Corbyn threads?

Exactly Fennel..... and posters can’t keep coming on here time and time again to say the same thing.We all think it was a truly awful post by that woman, even if it wasn’t her own words, she sent it on, just as bad.
There are racists in all walks of life.

Apologies should be consulted above not consoled

What Labour MPs must realize would be that they must stay in thinking with their constituency party. Gone are the days when Tony Blair and his cohorts parachuted candidates for election into constituencies and the local party had little or no say in their selection or de-selection.

Therefore, MPs have to consult and persuade their constituency party in regard to their thinking and in my view that's the way it should be.

So, should an MP become at odds with their constituency parties thinking and policies they are quite likely to be de-selected. Again, perfectly correct in my view.

Work with them as a team and there will be no problems.

Therefore did this MP consult with the constituency party in regards to their thinking on attending a demonstration against his/her and their own party. Perhaps if that consultation had taken place, then they may well have agreed that he/she should attend. However, if he/she did not consult we will never know the foregoing and obviously in this case the Constituency party may well have become upset that they were not consoled in this matter.

Grandad all your posts to wind me up simply do not work. Carry on if you like in being personal in your posts, but you will find you are the only one on this thread who is doing it.Thankfully.

winter white, when a Labour MP was threatened with deselection for attending the anti semitism demo at Westminster I did say HQ should speak out, it was said here what happens in a LP as nothing to do with those at the top.

Trisher wrote
"One could ask why those who have posted so often how much they support the Labour Party do not wish to condemn the Conservatives for this racist outrage. "
It was a disgusting thing to say.
I still support the Labour party, and have said a few times in the past that I think there are racists in both main parties. Probably in the minor ones too. So don't see the need to keep repeating.
I support the view that it's part of human nature.
And it's part of media propaganda to keep harping on as if it exists only in the LP.

Quote lemongrove [ Grandad.....you and your LOLS
I didn’t know I had any ’folksy wisdom’ btw
I suspect women were busier this BH weekend generally than men, though good to see that you are a ‘new man’ and do 50/50 of cooking, baking and general household chores and childminding.] End Quote

Lemongrove, I believe that with each post in this thread you demonstrate just how far behind the times you have become.

My wife and I will have been married fifty years this year and in that we always equally shared the chores brought about in the joys of bringing up our three children over the years. So, yes I have always shared the household duties which even now include much of the cooking (because I thoroughly enjoy it) and looking after our four grandchildren.

When i started our business in 2003 we equally shared the work involved in building that. Therefore, many working men and women have always shared all chores with their wives/partners and those circumstances in these times grow with each generation.

However, as we have seen with this Pendle councillor there would seem to be many in the Conservative party that are unable to adapt to a changing Britain. Perhaps that is due to the fact that only seventy thousand remain as members of the party with an average age of seventy one.

In the above undoubtedly it is difficult to accept change, especially when no "new blood" is entering the party, therefore the same old stagnant beliefs and thoughts still endure.

But if the local level gets it wrong higher levels can state publicly that the national party has been brought into disrepute. This is the step we are all waiting for.

trisher I have no idea of the workings of councils, but have read that local matters like this are dealt with at local level, whether we all like it or not.

Oh I see.Anti-semitism in the Labour party blame it on Corbyn.Racism in the Conservative party blame it on the locals!!!

niggly....good post.

Grandad.....you and your LOLS
I didn’t know I had any ’folksy wisdom’ btw
I suspect women were busier this BH weekend generally than men, though good to see that you are a ‘new man’ and do 50/50 of cooking, baking and general household chores and childminding.

To others on the thread, I meant by a ‘one off’ that it seems
That Rosemary Carroll ( Conservative Councillor) has not committed any other racist acts/posts/tweets.
I have already said that in my view she should never have been reinstated, but it looks as if each local council has the power of suspending/firing/ reinstating etc and that it always is considered a local matter ( to be sorted out at that level.)This is no doubt true of all the political parties.

i did’t read the whole post either trisher

No one has posted anything about suporting Corbyn Annie simply a question about why Theresa May is not held responsible for the racism in the Conservative party when Corbyn has been held responsible fo any perceived anti-semitism in the Labour Party. One could ask why those who have posted so often how much they support the Labour Party do not wish to condemn the Conservatives for this racist outrage. Could it be that they are not what they profess to be?

And with Corbyn supporters such as here the Labour Party will die and the communist party will take it’s place. LOL.

Quote lemon grove [So,Grandadyou are on holiday but still posting on here
What do you want, applause?
A Bank Holiday for most women (you are not one obviously) Means visiting family, or visitors to your own home and less time for sitting looking at comments on social media...... and a good thing too! ~snip] End Quote

Lemongrove, I see you love to share your folksy wisdom. Yesterday, you first informed us it was a Bank holiday (07/05/18) When some of us may just have the intelligence to notice that outside yourself. You then went on to inform us of the role of "most" women (in your view) During those Bank holidays which I find entirely outdated in regard to "most" women having to "Shoulder all the extra burdens" on such occasions.

In case you have not noticed Lemon, in these times equality is very much to the fore and to the benefit of the British economy. In the home workloads are very much shared and equalized between the sexes as both partners are very often working equal hours outside that environment. In the workplace, there is still some way to go, but huge strides been made in recent years to the benefit of all.

However, as with the case of this now conservative woman councillor, there are those that cannot accept or do not wish to see the changes that have come about in Britain in recent decades. We are a multi-cultural society and yet this person still sees fit to spread jokes that would have been viewed as disgusting even in the 1970s.

In the above the Tory party believes that it is "alright" for this individual to be re-admitted to the Conservative party as one of their councillors which demonstrates the depths to which the modern conservative party has fallen in its never ending quest for power at any cost and in that linked personal monetary gain.

As Trisher and others have stated on this thread, why has Theresa May not spoken out condemning this matter. I have no doubts that should this incident have occurred in the Labour party, media such as the Daily Mail and the Sun would have headlined that Jeremy Corbyn was condoning such action by his silence.

Also without doubt the "Labour party members and supporters" on this forum would have been condemning that silence time and time again on any thread given over to the topic. For evidence of that, anyone can look through the Jeremy Corbyn thread in regard to anti-Semitism to witness those Labour supporters condemning him at great length day after day in that matter

With supporters such as the above, Labour does not need opposition (LOL)

Of course they're not! There are extremely objectionable people in ALL walks of life including all political parties, but this doesn't mean that the everyone is, and to claim this is clearly absurd!

maizie and these are things that Tory councillors have said in public or online. It makes you wonder what they say in the privacy of their own home!