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FarNorth Tue 22-May-18 21:22:29

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

Sometimes it’s hard to be a woman. Except in the Labour Party, when it’s surprisingly easy. Just ask David Lewis. David, 45, is a member of the Labour Party. After several years of supporting the party, he became a full member last year having been “inspired” by Jeremy Corbyn. Tomorrow, David will be a candidate for election as an office-holder in his Constituency Labour Party in Basingstoke. He is standing for election as women’s officer, a post that Labour rules say can only be held by a woman. David is standing for that post because he is a woman. On Wednesdays, at least. When we spoke yesterday, he put it like this:

“I self-identify as a woman on Wednesdays, between 6.50am when my alarm goes off and around midnight when I go to bed.”

What does self-identifying as a woman mean? In what way is David a woman on Wednesdays?

“My womanness is expressed by my saying ‘I self identify as a woman’ now and again on Wednesdays. I make no changes in my behaviour or my appearance. I keep my name, David and my male pronouns. I wear the same sort of clothes I wear the rest of the week. I keep my beard. I enjoy the full womanness of my beard.”

The Basingstoke Labour Party last week accepted the womanness of David and his beard. He is listed as a candidate for election as CLP Women’s Officer, a post that involves encouraging women to join the party and generally speaking for women, their concerns and their experiences. But who is a woman? In the Labour Party, among other places, the answer to that question is not always as simple as some people might expect.

Labour operates a policy of self-definition: if someone defines themselves as a woman, the party recognises that person as a woman, with no question, verification or scrutiny of that definition. This approach is intended to make the party inclusive and supportive of transwomen, people who were born male and later say they wish to change their gender and be recognised as female. Many advocates of greater legal rights for trans people say that accepting such self-identification is right and fair because “gatekeeping” checks, where trans people are required to “prove” their gender identity to another person or authority, are discriminatory and intrusive. “Transwomen are women,” they say, as if those three words are all that’s needs to settle this matter. More on this later.

The Labour approach on self-defining women also extends to the all-women shortlists used to select the party’s candidate in some parliamentary seats. Some Labour members have doubts about the policy of self-definition. Some are feminists who worry that a policy that allows male-born people (who might have enjoyed the social and economic advantages that are often associated with being male) to compete for and hold women-only posts is unfair to people who were born female (and thus prone to social and economic disadvantage.)

Some raise legal questions. Generally, equalities law doesn’t allow organisations such as Labour to reserve jobs or services for any particular group, but the Equality Act 2010 includes some exemptions for single-sex services, because Parliament wanted to ensure that women could be guaranteed that there are some roles and places where men cannot enter.

Some Labour members have sought to bring a legal challenge against the party for opening up women’s roles to “self-defined” women. They argue that where transwomen are not legally recognised as women (i.e. they do not hold a gender recognition certificate) they cannot be entitled to posts that the law reserves for women. Some women have resigned from Labour over this issue.

Labour’s NEC, meanwhile, has insisted that the policy of treating self-defined women as women will stand. Which brings us back to David Lewis, candidate to be Basingstoke Labour’s women’s officer:

“After I looked at the NEC position and what it really meant, I thought, I’ll put my name forward for women’s officer. After all, what’s the worst that could happen? I expected them to say, ‘don’t be silly’ and politely decline my application. But they didn’t. They accepted my candidacy as valid.”

So he’s standing for a woman’s post. Why?

“My priority here is to inform the CLP, and maybe some other people, about what this policy means, about what happens when you say that someone’s gender depends only on what they say and nothing else.”

How would David respond to those who might say he is being offensive or bigoted, that he is trivialising the issues that transgender women face?

“I’d say those people don’t have any right to criticise my gender-identity. If I say I am a woman on Wednesdays, then all they can do is accept that. After all, there are other people who only identify as women on some days of the week and not others, and they are accepted, not criticised.”

David adds:

“In any case, anyone else’s criticism or questions about my gender identity are just not relevant to the Labour Party at the moment, given the current policy. If I say I’m a woman, I’m a woman.”

Now, if you’re new to this topic, you may by this point have come to appreciate that yes, in today’s Labour Party, anyone can be a woman if they say they are a woman, even David with his beard and his complete lack of any outward effort to live or pass as a woman. And maybe you might think “Yes, well, that’s the loony lefty SJW Labour Party, and nothing to do with the rest of us who aren’t part of it.”

If so, you’d be wrong, because that policy of “self-identification” could become the law for everyone. The Government will shortly bring forward a consultation on amending the law on gender recognition, where some groups will argue that people should be able to define themselves as a woman or a man (and thus obtain the associated legal rights and entitlements) without external check or verification.

Some people think that’s a good idea, because they say the current system institutionalises unfairness to trans people. Some people have doubts, because they worry that such rules could be (ab)used to erode the legal status of women, opening up their roles, jobs and places (for instance, domestic violence shelters, all-women colleges, hospital wards) to people with male socialisation and anatomy.

Many (but not all) of the people who raise questions about self-identified gender rules are women, women who are struggling to make their voices heard in what passes for the public debate about gender, because those who speak out are at risk of abuse and accusations of transphobic bigotry. Or even being assaulted.

Which is why what David Lewis is doing strikes me as important and worthy of attention beyond the lovely town of Basingstoke. David Lewis is a man standing for a post that the rules say should be open only to women. He can do so purely because he has said the words “I am a woman” and rigid adherence to the orthodoxy of “transwomen are women” means no one can question his claim. And if anyone who says “I am a woman” must be treated as a woman and granted the status and rights of a woman, does the word “woman” still have any meaning? You do not, I submit, need to a radical feminist to see that the logic of complete self-identification raises some quite profound questions.

Although I worry he’ll get his share of abuse for it, I think David Lewis deserves praise for what he is doing. He is standing for a woman’s job to make a point about what can happen to women when rules that affect them and their rights are made and enforced on the basis of blind dogma, not balanced debate. “We need to be able to debate this, we need to be able to talk about this without being told we are transphobic and to shut up,” David says, before adding:

“I completely understand the problems that trans people face and I can see the case for reforming a system that some people find difficult and undignified. But I think we have to have a proper debate where both sides are heard and there are people who raising valid questions who are not being heard. In the end, we need to have a compromise. And a good compromise is one where both sides are equally unhappy.”

Does he think there is any chance he might actually win his election and end up being elected as women’s officer? “I am hoping that my local party will be sensible.”

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 10:47:32

Should be okay in the ladies' loo on Wednesday then, Conni7. smile

As I understand it, at any time someone identifies as a man or a woman, boy or girl, that is exactly what they are.

Many organisations, such as Girlguiding UK, and schools are already operating on this principle and the UK government has plans to make it law (after a swift consultation).

Luckylegs9 Wed 23-May-18 10:48:33

What an utter load of tripe. Is anyone supposed to give one jot.

leeds22 Wed 23-May-18 10:54:24

Is he taking the Mick (or Michaela on a Wednesday)?

These days, if the ladies toilets are occupied I use the gents (not communal ones) and if anyone queries this, my prepared answer is that I am identifying as a man today.

henetha Wed 23-May-18 11:03:27

Seriously??? What a load of old codswallop. O.K., then, - today I'm a man because I'm painting the fence. But I'm having awful difficulty in growing a beard.

Besstwishes Wed 23-May-18 11:08:26

Sounds to me that we will soon have compulsory communal toilet facilities.

It won’t matter then what gender you are claiming to be.

Besstwishes Wed 23-May-18 11:10:24

On a serious note, if a man identifies himself as a woman, what happens if he wants to use the Women’s changing room and showers at the local Gym? Will it be illegal to stop him?

Signed the petition, by the way

Besstwishes Wed 23-May-18 11:11:07

henetha long may it remain so! ( growing a beard)

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 11:11:30

Dangerous codswallop, though.

This is a small extract from the official website of an English primary school-

'Recorded Gender on Computerised Records - The school office should change the child’s gender on SIMS following a parental/carer request. No legal document is needed according to the latest census guidance from the DfE. If left unchanged, the original gender will keep pulling through on reports. Cambridgeshire LA has recently advised all schools to follow the DfE guidance.'

www.arbury.cambs.sch.uk/website/being_a_trans-friendly_school_

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 11:12:59

Yes, it will, Besstwishes.

Hence the ManFriday campaign.

freyja Wed 23-May-18 11:15:05

What a load of rubbish, I too am losing the will to live. Why do men think they can just take everything we have even our gender. I am sick of the whole debate on gender issues. They forced it on the rest of us as if it is their right to do so.

I would not vote for labour if this is the way they carry on.There are far more important matters to concern us then men having identify crisis because they can't live in the real world as men.

If women are to be equally represent in parliament or the Labour party then they need real women who know what we need. Not men pretending to be women and who think they knows best. Well they Don't.

henetha Wed 23-May-18 11:17:18

Well, I do get the odd little chin hair, Besstwishes... maybe I should be worried....

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 11:27:37

freya, the Labour party are not the only ones going for this. All political parties are.
Individual women who have questioned it have been expelled from the Green Party and from the Women's Equality Party (!) for instance.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/trans-women-genderquake-greens/

www.heather-brunskell-evans.co.uk/body-politics/open-letter/

maryeliza54 Wed 23-May-18 11:55:29

Are some people missing the point that DL is being deliberately provocative in order to expose the madness of self-id? It’s brilliant what he’s doing as he is trying to make the LP stop and think what self id really means. The MN thread which he started makes his position clear. And as for this being a LP issue, it was the Tories with Maria Millar and Justine Greening that first started this ball rolling - however they keep delaying the consultation because they know it’s a poisoned chalice - the LP is running with it however now in terms of their organisation and other parties seem also to be jumping on this ridiculous band wagon

Lilyflower Wed 23-May-18 11:57:42

FarNorth, that was a well written and considered post. I wonder whether you are writing as an individual 'mum' on Mumsnet or as a representative of the media getting the message 'out there' to relevant social sub groups.

Whichever it is, the nonsense of self identification needs to be advertised and the dangers mission creep and unintended consequences disseminated before we are all disadvantaged by this ludicrous policy.

It is about time those who wish to change the world by edict realised that policies which prompt tolerance by creating a climate of promotion are always going to go too far and hand power to the mischievous and anti social. It is one thing to tolerate trans gender individuals, as indeed we should; quite another to promote the state to five year olds in primary schools.

I have no desire to see men in dresses in women's changing rooms or ladies' toilets and I think that pushing trans gender issues at primary school children is tantamount to a form of abuse. Allowing medical intervention to change gender before the age of general consent and intellectual and physical maturity is, in my view, virtually assault.

Beware of what you wish for.

Luckygirl Wed 23-May-18 11:59:28

I do understand that he is being provocative and trying to illustrate the nonsense that this all is. But the fact that some have taken it seriously indicates very clearly indeed how many have got to the point where they will believe anything, as equally nonsensical things are being promoted and likely to become enshrined in law.

SueDonim Wed 23-May-18 12:02:20

Well done to David Lewis for showing up this idea of self-identification of gender for the farce that it is!

sarahellenwhitney Wed 23-May-18 12:07:33

Oh to be back in the 20C. The latter half being the best times of my life.

marionk Wed 23-May-18 12:13:51

Embrace the womaness of a full beard ???? no more chin waxing for us then!

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 12:18:04

Lilyflower, I hope you didn't think I wrote the opening post.
It was all quoted from the Spectator link, in case people couldn't read that.
I'm definitely not part of the media!

Livey Wed 23-May-18 12:29:35

I have signed....

Just to let everyone now - from today 23 May - On a Sunday, when all the family want Sunday Lunch cooked, served and cleared away, I am a MAN...

starbox Wed 23-May-18 12:31:35

Goodness, what rubbish- I guess it's a way to get a job (will he be continuing to be female on Weds if he loses it?) I want to say does that mean on Weds he's eschewing football/ eyeing up girls/ fixing the car...but of course women are encouraged to do all those things so it wouldnt be a useful question. To my mind you are what you are. If I choose to distance myself from past behaviours, perhaps saying "I don't do that now", you're still entitled to recall them and assess me on them if you see fit - so too, a 'trans' man is not and never will be a woman. If I (age 55) self-identify as a teen, I can absolutely cavort in kids' clothing, ride my skateboard,... but it doesnt make me a teen, just a woman who chooses to present herself that way. Even if you pumped me full of teen hormones and I was a mass of acne and angst I still wouldnt be a teen - just an oldie on medication!

maryeliza54 Wed 23-May-18 12:45:19

starbox have you missed the point that he doesn’t for one minute think he’s a woman - he’s making a really important point about the nonsense of self id

SueDoku Wed 23-May-18 13:07:59

Besstwishes Yes, if you object to the presence of someone with a penis in the ladies changing rooms, the showers at the swimming pool or a ladies loo, you could be arrested and charged with a hate crime - as anyone who self-identifies as a woman (whether full-time or just on that day) must be accepted as one...
I'm really glad that this has hit the national news, as I've been trying to tell people about it for months, and they either don't believe me, or insist that it's not a problem and that I'm being transphobic...
For the record, I fully support all protection for transwomen who are living as women, and agree that they should be treated as women - but someone who just wants to access women-only spaces, while looking and acting as a man, is beyond the pall - and David is showing the ridiculousness of this wonderfully.

Overthehills Wed 23-May-18 13:24:25

I think your banging your head against a brick wall Maryeliza, some people are just not getting it!

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 13:39:56

starbox you clearly agree with the point that David Lewis is making.