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Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

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Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 17:49:55

With an open attack on Theresa Mays handling of the Brexit negotiations many in the media believe that Jacob Rees-Mogg has made his first open move in a bid to become Conservative party leader and Britain's next Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg in yet another of his ongoing interviews with the media lambasted "weak" Theresa May for preparing the UK for "Brexit failure". Rees-Mogg stated that with The British negotiators going into each set of negotiations with an attitude of "we will kowtow before you, Mr Barnier in every way you possible throughout these talks" there is no hope of success for the UK. The foregoing are undoubtedly harsh words indeed even from an arch hard line Brexitier, but many believe that there is far more to Rees-Moggs words than just Brexit.

It may well be that this hard line right wing politician has witnessed the way that Jeremy Corbyn has moved the Labour party to the left and now feels he could carry out the same in the Conservative party with the exception of that move being in the opposite direction in regards to political ground.

Evidence to the above can be seen in Rees-Moggs attack on Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davison, for in the same interview he stated that Davison should not be allowed to marry her longtime same sex partner as planned. However, same sex marriage legislation was put before parliament and passed in 2013 under the David Cameron coalition government.

In making the above comment Rees-Mogg is undoubtedly looking to damage Ruth Davison, who also is seen as a possible next leader of the Conservative party. That stated, it is also being seen as a move against centre ground Concervatives in parliament.

In the above can be seen shades of Momentum's original moves against centre Blairite MPs in the Labour party.

MawBroon Wed 30-May-18 20:55:32

Sounds tenuous to me, given that Sberbank is State owned.
Sberbank is a state-owned Russian banking and financial services company headquartered in Moscow. The company was known as "Sberbank of Russia" until 2015. Sberbank has operations in several European and post-Soviet countries. (Wikipedia)

Now I know I said “Don’t mention it” but I had rather thought you might. Manners and all that sad

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 20:55:09

Anyway, I am still in the office after sitting around all afternoon waiting for an outcome on a matter which eventually turned out successful without me contributing further.

So, an interesting afternoon posting on GN. I wonder if I am the first forum member to receive a salary for posting on GransNet. grin

Baggs Wed 30-May-18 20:53:46

When was Somerset Asset Management set up? When did it begin trading with Sberbank?

I could look these things up but I'm asking because of the claims you are making. I think it is wrong to make such claims without properly backing up everything you say.

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 20:46:49

Baggs, the investment under particular question is Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank. JRM Is co-founder of and a major shareholder in Somerset Asset Management which he is not directly involved in managing but obviously receives major income from the profits of the company. Those profits are large part derived from its Russian procurement of clients funds into the above Russian bank and other organizations in that country under sanctions.

By not being involved in the day to day management of the company, JRM does not for some reason I cannot figure out have to declare on the parliamentary register of members interest his involvement and income from the company.

MawBroon Wed 30-May-18 20:30:42

4:58:41
How about a few minutes thought for all those that perished on that airliner and from which a leading member and prospective leader of the Conservative party is making money from?
Apart from a superfluity of “froms” I think this is the post in which Grandad implies JRM has directly profited from that incident.
I carry no torch for JRM but casting aspersions of this sort could be interpreted as libellous.

MawBroon Wed 30-May-18 20:22:53

Quote Jalima1108[ So if the British army brought down a foreign plane full of civilians, anyone investing money with the Bank of England and other British banks would be to blame? Is that how it works or have I misunderstood something?
That is according toGrandad] End Quote

It was actually Baggs who originally posted that I think.

You might like to familiarise yourself with the conventions of the site Grandad43
^ and ^ immediately around something you are quoting will indicate as such by putting it into italics
* and * is normally used round a username to make it appear in bold
And the square brackets [ and ] are designed for use with smileys such as grin wink and if you are really on the ball tcrsmile or tchhmm
Don’t mention it, happy to help.

Baggs Wed 30-May-18 20:19:23

Oh bother! The first two paragraphs were supposed to be in bold. Should have previewed.

Anniebach Wed 30-May-18 20:18:39

I have never seen any comment on Corbyn which is libellous

Baggs Wed 30-May-18 20:18:34

*JRM has stated that none of his own personal money is subject to investment in that bank. However, it has been pointed out to JRM any number of times in media interviews (and on the Andrew Marr program Sunday) that he makes financial gain from the charges his company levies on investors for lodging their funds in that bank and other Russian investments. JRM has not denied that is indeed the case.

Therefore, as the internationally agreed sanctions were brought in as a result of the missile attack on an airliner over Ukraine in which all on board perished, it can be deduced that Jacob Rees-Mogg is gaining financially from that attack as the bank in particular is paying higher returns to investors because of the sanctions.*

Thank you for that explanation, grandad. Next question, if I may: when was JRM's company's link to the bank in question (which bank is it, btw?) made? Is that known? And when were the investments made by 'customers' of JRM? Did any of it happen before the plane crash?

Just by the way, I did hear that JRM is not managing the company while he is an MP because it would be a clash of interests.

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 20:15:55

Anniebach, in regards to your above post at 19:47 today, then yes the trade Unions and all the wider Labour movement including the Labour party do own their own bank known as Trust Unity Bank.

I am astonished anniebach that as having fifty year membership of the labour party you are not aware of that fact.

Details of the banks operations can be found by following this link
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Trust_Bank

Jalima1108 Wed 30-May-18 20:04:57

I am quoting another poster Grandad, something which you don't seem to have got the hang of yet.

If you use these ^^ around another poster's words, it will come up in italics and denote that you are quoting someone else.
smile

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 20:04:52

Apologies should be posts above not oats. confused

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 20:02:11

Quote Jalima1108[ So if the British army brought down a foreign plane full of civilians, anyone investing money with the Bank of England and other British banks would be to blame? Is that how it works or have I misunderstood something?
That is according toGrandad] End Quote

Janina, please direct me to where I have stated or agreed with your above posting in this thread, because as I feel you know that is not what I have done, or the way it works.

As I have already stated many investors do not know where their investments are located. However, that is not the allegations being levelled at Jacob Rees mogg. The foregoing pertains that his investment company has placed clients funds in a Russian bank, which is subject to internationally agreed sanctions.

JRM has stated that none of his own personal money is subject to investment in that bank. However, it has been pointed out to JRM any number of times in media interviews (and on the Andrew Marr program Sunday) that he makes financial gain from the charges his company levies on investors for lodging their funds in that bank and other Russian investments. JRM has not denied that is indeed the case.

Therefore, as the internationally agreed sanctions were brought in as a result of the missile attack on an airliner over Ukraine in which all on board perished, it can be deduced that Jacob Rees-Mogg is gaining financially from that attack as the bank in particular is paying higher returns to investors because of the sanctions.

As for statements on this forum being libellous, in regards to what has been stated about Jeremy Corbyn GNHQ would have to take down two thirds of the oats on this section of the forum to put correct that anomaly, I feel

Anniebach Wed 30-May-18 19:47:45

Expect unions have their own bank and all monies is invested in fair trade companies, like the third Mrs Corbyn’s. Company

Jalima1108 Wed 30-May-18 19:21:22

So if the British army brought down a foreign plane full of civilians, anyone investing money with the Bank of England and other British banks would be to blame? Is that how it works or have I misunderstood something?
That is according to Grandad

Yes, I am still puzzling over the allegation Baggs.

Quite simplly do you condemn JRM for gaining financially from the Ukrainian airliner attack ?????
That accusation against a Member of Parliament on an open forum is quite astonishing and I am surprised that GNHQ has not deleted it as potentially libellous.

Have you checked exactly where your pension, if you have one, is invested Grandad?
I hope it is all in ethical funds and not in any country of which you may disapprove.

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 19:21:19

Moggy oy Moggy oy Moggy Moggy Moggy oy oy oy winewinewine

Jalima1108 Wed 30-May-18 19:16:08

maryeliza that is beyond the pale

Taking a Cornish (some would say Welsh) chant and misusing it in that way
shock

Gerispringer Wed 30-May-18 19:03:53

Forelock tuggers are alive and well

maryeliza54 Wed 30-May-18 19:02:24

Moggy Moggy Moggy oy oy oy

??????

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 18:52:09

Yes, Moggy for Tory Leader, bring it on. grinwinewinewine

maryeliza54 Wed 30-May-18 18:42:18

He is my only hope for a brighter future ???????
Come on the Mogg

varian Wed 30-May-18 18:37:27

He is the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing

Gerispringer Wed 30-May-18 18:30:48

Jacob Tres Smug no no no

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 18:28:38

Just take a look at JRMs freinds and Associates. Quite some characters in that lot.

Grandad1943 Wed 30-May-18 18:25:48

Well let us hope that they make him leader maryeliza54, we will have no shortage of ammunition to throw at him come any election.

The sanctions scandal is only the tip of the iceberg from what I have read. Could make JC look like a saint in any campaign. grin