Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

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I believe the slogan was “Homes fit for Heroes”, Grandad. ??

I knew David Steel quite well and went riding with his wife Judy.
He wasn’t really as small as portrayed in Spitting Image

Maw, David Steele suffered from the way he was portrayed in ‘Spitting Image’, it really damaged him. I did like Charles Kennedy.

Paddyann, didn’t Graham and Hardie found The Scottish Labour Party. The Labour Party wasn’t formed untill 1900

Paddyman, for me and I believe many Clement Atlee and the 1945 Labour government he led was the greatest peacetime administration this country has ever had. That Government under the "Homes Fit for Hero's" slogan brought in the National Health Service, a huge council building program, the modern Welfare State and the Nationalisation of the railways.

Indeed, it was wishing to do even more that led to their defeat in the1950 election. For it was in the act of Nationalising of the Road Haulage industry the government placed a huge amount of freight traffic on the railways and in their post war run down state those railways simply just could not cope.

Perhaps it is only today that we can see and conceive the perceived long term wisdom in that action.

James Keir Hardie along with Robert Bontine Cunningham -Graham were the first leaders of the Labour party in fact Cunningham -Graham was the very first Socialist MP.He was local to my home town and led a life that could well be turned into an adventure movie.He is /was idolised in Argentina where he spent part of his life.He also started the National Party of Scotland (snp) .The manifesto included votes for women,the handing back of the Indian continent and Home Rule for Scotland .My GM knew both these men ( she was a a suffragette)I grew up with stories about them.They were socialists of the old order NOT like New Labour and the clowns who run it today .Want it all verified ? I'm sure you'll find all the details you need online

To me, it would seem that the conservative Bow Group is emerging as the Momentum movement of the Tory party. In the last few weeks we have seen that faction openly engage in criticism of the current leadership while at the same time talking up Jacob Rees-Mogg as a prospective radical new leader of the party. The foregoing was almost exactly the same procedure that Momentum engaged in as they emerged within Labour.

If the Bow group were to be successful in bringing about radical change in the conservative party, then perhaps any new centre party could also look to Tory centrist to jump ship and join its ranks. I get the feeling that it would not take much change for Phillip Hammond to abandon the Conservative party.

However, there would still be the problem of funding for any new party to overcome before it had any prospect of success at the polls

Sadly varian the only LibDems I can think of are Nick Clegg and Vince Cable, so alas, no thank you.
Bring back David Steel (my MP in the Borders many years ago) and Jo Grimond (but he’s dead) or Charles Kennedy.

Am I living in the past? ?

Jalima1108 I have never said at any time that I followed my grandfather's politics or beliefs. I have said that I respected and understood where he came from, his politics were bred in the docks where work was allotted and men would find themselves without wages for weeks when shipping was low (much like zero hour contract workers today I have said that I appreciate the society I grew up in where a proper welfare state cared for all, and people were properly housed and fed. But these are socialist and not communist beliefs.
What I still don't understand is all this posting about a 'centre left " party which seemingly has some unfathomable and unspecified policies which differ from the Labour Party but which no one ever gets round to explaining.

Theres no chance of out ancestors knowing each other mine were in Glasgow
It was me who suggested that in fact.

I was thinking of Keir Hardie et al, perhaps someone could check what he said about self-rule for Scotland in the first manifesto as I don't know.

Jalima the Iraq war was supported by both sides of the house .
I know Anniebach, but based on lies told by Tony Blair.

MawBroon Fri 25-May-18 18:55:32
Absolutely, what so many have been saying on these threads for so long - at the risk if being called right-wing extremists

And varian, sadly I have given up on them, they seem to be a lost cause now.
However, I still voted for the Lib Dem candidate in local elections and he got in here.

The Conservative party will move to the right as it's membership figures are now so low that radical change is eventually inevitable. New members bring new thinking, new activists and in that new donors and for the conservatives that can only come from the right.

The Labour party has always had the trade union funding as its main source of income now matter how far they have fallen in the electorate's eyes. That fact has made their radical change in polices easy to carry out. However, for the conservatives it will be far more traumatic I feel.

As for a new centre party, I seem to remember a split from the Labour party in the past by a group called the "gang of four" (I think that's what they were called). However, lack of funding and feet on the ground soon brought about their decline despite all the advanced press hype in regard to the end of Labour, and they eventually merged into the liberal party.

Therefore, I feel that any new centre political party set up would in all probability go the same way.

Maw, if only they would , so many on the back benches I could add to your list

Or you could support the Liberal Democrats Maw

As far as I am concerned Corbyn can take his version of Labour as far Left as he likes and Rees-Mogg can take the Tories to the Right leaving the middle ground for a new Centrist party with Yvette Cooper, Chaka Umuna, Stella Creasey, Hilary Benn and anybody else with half a brain who has to make a better fist of things than those in charge now.

Blair never tried for a Tory seat, his father did.

Brown is the most dedicated practising Christian one could ever hope to meet

Anniebach Yes, that is the sort of thing to expect from a Tory government (They have reduced the bereavement allowance this time around) but not from a Labour one.

Ilovecheese it was common knowledge that Blair was a tory at heart.He tried to get a tory seat first and was rejected."NEW" Labour wasn't labour in many ways though my disappointment with it was Gordon Brown ..a man who claimed to have the chritian priciples of the child of the manse.Sadly although he did some good for children in poverty many of his actions undermined the good he did do

The Tory government reduced my widowed mothers pension because of my age , seems young widows could expect to remarry so would not be bringing up children alone for long.

Day6 you postd "I was btw, on Incapacity Benefit after illness, as sick as I have ever been and unable to work. Tony Blair's government stopped me and thousands of others from claiming it, before you tell me that only Labourites have compassion - which is a myth, but a good oft repeated soundbite."

I think you have made a very good point there. This is the sort of reason that made me turn away from "New Labour" as they became closer to the Conservatives with actions like the above. Taking money away from sick people and from single parents should not be part of any Labour policy.

When have I supported the conservatives paddyann? Is saying I respect May or find JRM amusing supporting the Tory party? When Cammeron was PM I respected Ken Clarke .

I did not call you a liar paddyann, I offered the only three reasons why you should have said I never criticise the Conservative party. Thank you for clearing it up, you have only recently joined this forum. So now you can withdraw your accusation or amend it and state I have not criticised this government since you joined the forum last year . That is fact.

Oh dear AB calling me a liar? I only joined this forum last year so no I wasn't on it when DC was around.In the time I HAVE been on it I have never seeen you do anything other than support the conservatives...not an ATTACK on you just a fact.I was very surprised when I discovered you claimed to be Labour as most of your views are incompatible with the labour party I grew up with.Theres no chance of out ancestors knowing each other mine were in Glasgow ....staunch labour party members...you have heard of Glasgow...the city Churchill sent tanks into and confined Scottish regiments to barracks in case they defended the people .Tories...they never change !!Now of course its done through the media .Scots are too wee too poor and too stupid to rule themselves.Self rule WAS in the first labour manifesto..by Keir Hardie

In response to the post by Trisher today (25/05/18 @10:36), below is a report by Sky News which I feel demonstrates the growing support for Jacob Rees-Mogg within the Conservative Party. Daniel Kawczynski is a leading member of the Conservative party Bow Group and obviously spoke the thoughts of many in that body.

Report begins here:-
Jacob Rees-Mogg has been hailed a "hero" and touted as a future Prime Minister by a Tory MP who says he feels "very despondent" about the state of Brexit negotiations.

Daniel Kawczynski said Theresa May was not an "authentic Brexiteer" and could renege on her promise that Britain will exit the customs union, leaving Britain in "dangerous, unchartered territory".

The MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham in Shropshire warned that if she did, UKIP would "come back like a phoenix" and "destabilise" the Conservatives "like you've never seen before".

He added that some people in parliament were doing "everything in their power" to "neuter" Brexit, specifically accusing 14 rebels in his own party of "taking advantage" of its "tiny majority" to block Brexit.

Speaking at a Bow Group event immediately after a gathering of the European Research Group (ERG) on Monday, Mr Kawczynski said: "I feel very, very despondent, having been to that meeting.

"Because above all something I feel much more strongly about than being a Conservative... what I feel even more strongly about is democracy…

"There are people in this palace, your palace, who are attempting to do everything in their power to overturn that decision and to create a meaningless, toothless, neutered Brexit."

Mr Kawczynski said MPs had to "overturn" the "ludicrous" amendments to the government's flagship Brexit law, which it suffered 15 defeats on in the House of Lords.

He added: "Also, we have to deal with some of the rebels in our own party."

The Polish-born MP revealed he "will never really forgive" now Environment Secretary Michael Gove and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson for the "chaos" they "got themselves into" in the 2016 Conservative leadership contest.

The full report can be viewed by following this link.
news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-not-an-authentic-brexiteer-and-could-destabilise-conservatives-like-never-before-mp-11382608

In regard to JRM being a decent person, his Somerset based investment company is under investigation for breaking international sanctions against Russia for a range of issues carried out by that country.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has not it would seem denied he is still involved in a Russian bank investment, even after he called for tighter sanctions to be applied to Russia in the House of Commons following the Salisbury poisoning.

In other words, "don't do as I do, do as I say".

I have been in the office since 7am this morning and will be here for a couple of hours more, but will respond to comments when I eventually "Break Free".