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Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

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Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 17:49:55

With an open attack on Theresa Mays handling of the Brexit negotiations many in the media believe that Jacob Rees-Mogg has made his first open move in a bid to become Conservative party leader and Britain's next Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg in yet another of his ongoing interviews with the media lambasted "weak" Theresa May for preparing the UK for "Brexit failure". Rees-Mogg stated that with The British negotiators going into each set of negotiations with an attitude of "we will kowtow before you, Mr Barnier in every way you possible throughout these talks" there is no hope of success for the UK. The foregoing are undoubtedly harsh words indeed even from an arch hard line Brexitier, but many believe that there is far more to Rees-Moggs words than just Brexit.

It may well be that this hard line right wing politician has witnessed the way that Jeremy Corbyn has moved the Labour party to the left and now feels he could carry out the same in the Conservative party with the exception of that move being in the opposite direction in regards to political ground.

Evidence to the above can be seen in Rees-Moggs attack on Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davison, for in the same interview he stated that Davison should not be allowed to marry her longtime same sex partner as planned. However, same sex marriage legislation was put before parliament and passed in 2013 under the David Cameron coalition government.

In making the above comment Rees-Mogg is undoubtedly looking to damage Ruth Davison, who also is seen as a possible next leader of the Conservative party. That stated, it is also being seen as a move against centre ground Concervatives in parliament.

In the above can be seen shades of Momentum's original moves against centre Blairite MPs in the Labour party.

nigglynellie Sat 02-Jun-18 14:48:58

That was certainly out of the public eye!!!

MawBroon Sat 02-Jun-18 14:29:52

Catchment area, lemongrove?
Or one could be like Diane Abbott and after independent secondary school, send him to an independent boarding school in Ghana for the Sixth Form . hmm

lemongrove Sat 02-Jun-18 14:17:47

Yes, that’s true, but an MP could do the same, choose a state school a bit further away.

trisher Sat 02-Jun-18 14:13:42

I was thinking lemonthat if the MP sends their child to a local school there are places where not only the children but the parents could subject the child to unwanted attention in order to influence their parent. It would as always depend upon the quality of the school and the area it serves, but it is a distinct possibility.Teachers sometimes have similar problems, so they often move their children to a school in a different area.

Anniebach Sat 02-Jun-18 14:09:20

It wasn’t a curious thing to say lemon, it was a deliberate slur on a posters character

Anniebach Sat 02-Jun-18 14:08:08

No, I think it takes someone who chooses to ignore the truth to defend a hypocrite

maryeliza54 Sat 02-Jun-18 14:04:48

What’s your take on JC then for NOT wanting to do that?

lemongrove Sat 02-Jun-18 13:50:37

No, you don’t need to be a hypocrite yourself to spot one,
What a curious thing for you to say trisher.
Being the child of an MP could result in unwanted attention, at any school, state or private, but that’s another matter.
Any MP who shouts about inequalities regarding types of education and then sends their own offspring to private schools is a hypocrite.

trisher Sat 02-Jun-18 13:30:08

Do you suppose it takes a hypocrite to know one?
I think politicians also have the problem of their job to contend with when choosing a school. Being an MPs kid could result in a lot of unwanted attention not solely from the children.

Anniebach Sat 02-Jun-18 13:16:37

I have given my opinions on Johnson, before you joined the forum. Johnson is not leader of the party I have always supported . My concern is the hypocritcal leader of the Labour Party and the detruction of that party.

Anniebach Sat 02-Jun-18 13:13:00

Thank you for your apology grandad. Again you are wrong, I do not support the tories, I do respect May and I find JRM amusing, my contempt as you choose call it, is for Corbyn who is a hypocrite , I always praise the great labour politicians on the back benches. So with respect I cannot accept your explanation that it was a ‘mistake ‘ I believe it was again a deliberate attempt to cause trouble.

maryeliza54 Sat 02-Jun-18 13:01:46

I know that’s whataboutery but it’s also context

maryeliza54 Sat 02-Jun-18 13:00:12

None of us is party to what fully broke up JC’s marriage- I read an interview with his wife and she said the school issue was a part of it - but of course his intransigence about that might have been part of a wider issue. I still thinks it’s wrong to just keep banging on about that when other politicians have behaved much much worse to their wives and publically humiliated them - generally sex scandals of one kind or another I wonder what my red line would be in leaving my dh but I think that would be my choice and I wouldn’t thank people for making judgements on my reasons. It’s not as though JC keeps saying he believes in life long marriage is it? If you want sleazy tom catting around you could start with BJ - but he stays married so that’s OK?

Baggs Sat 02-Jun-18 12:49:43

My post should have been addressed to others as well as to mcem.

Baggs Sat 02-Jun-18 12:47:49

mcem, I think there is an argument for not having one's own children in the school in which one teaches. As I understand it it's not about the quality of the teaching in the school but about letting the child have some 'normal' separation and independence from their parents, and also letting the parents not be in the position of being accused of favouring their kids.

The deputy head at the primary school I attended as a child sent them to other schools when they got to the age where they would have been in her class for two years (small school; only three classes).

Anniebach Sat 02-Jun-18 12:43:01

No I do not have a thing about his marriages, I certaintly ‘have a thing about marriage vows. I do not refer to his first marriage. I believe to speak out for women’s rights, even men in a frock but refuse to stay in a marriage because a wife will not bow to your demands on schooling is hypocritical. His wife chose the grammar school for the same reason given by Abbott, the local state school was failing badly. He promoted Abbott and Thornberry who did the very thing his wife did yet he dumped her. How can you defend this ?

lemongrove Sat 02-Jun-18 12:41:42

Because, when it comes down to it ( and there is enough money) people generally say to hell with principles and send their children to be privately educated.
Probably most Labour MP’s do it.
I admire those who don’t, mind you, not that it should be allowed to break up a marriage over!

muffinthemoo Sat 02-Jun-18 12:35:33

mcem what the hell was she doing running a school that was good enough for other people’s weans but not her own??

If you found out the chef refused to eat in his own restaurant you’d think he needed to get his establishment in better order!!

Grandad1943 Sat 02-Jun-18 12:31:42

Anniebach, in regard to your post @ 11:44 today, I do apologize as I had forgotten that you have a fifty year membership of the Labour party.

It's just that you support the Tories so often and always sieve contempt for the Labour party on this forum i am sure that anyone can easily forget that you are a Labour party member.

Hope you understand my above mistake.

Anyway, just about to leave the office as we have been working this morning so, join the debate again sometime later on.

mcem Sat 02-Jun-18 12:27:19

Hypocrisy at all levels.
I found it difficult to accept that our Deputy Head removed her daughters from our 'good' primary school and had them educated privately at secondary level.
My ex H and I agreed that as teachers we were intrinsic parts of the local system and if it was good enough to pay our salaries it was good enough for our offspring.
Proved correct!

Lazigirl Sat 02-Jun-18 12:23:41

What about the Tory women Grandad? Amber Rudd for one and Esther McVey could be sneaking up on the outside. Heaven help us.

maryeliza54 Sat 02-Jun-18 12:16:21

That’s very admirable of you ab because it was a real situation not a hypothetical one. And I agree that there is a huge issue about the choices politicians make about education for their children if politically the believe in and promote comprehensive education. But I still think you are wrong to criticise JC on this issue. You do have rather a thing about his marriages

MawBroon Sat 02-Jun-18 12:12:10

Isn’t it a bit early in the day for winewinewine Grandad?

Anniebach Sat 02-Jun-18 12:10:58

Trisher, I agree it must be difficult if you have the money and want your child privately educated .

Chakribaki , Abbott, Thornberry chose private education for their children, their choice, but what of the parents who want grammer schools, these three women are against them but chose schooling for their children.

I am sgainst grammer school, dislike the privalages bestowed on the privately educated, when I had the choice for my daughters to be privately educated I chose the local high school for them.

maryeliza54 Sat 02-Jun-18 12:10:35

But SC is to be criticised because she did accept her husbands choice of school? And can you imagine if JC had accepted the choice of school ....... you’d be praising him to the heights - oh wait a minute. When dh and me have a difference of opinion about something significant, I certainly don’t see his disagreement with me as a woman’s rights issue - that would be just plain silly