Regret it Brexit Part 2

This was from yesterday
David Davis has conceded that surveillance technology cannot be used to police the Northern Ireland border in a major climbdown that leaves Brexiteers’ favoured customs plan in disarray
I seem to recall Brexit supporters toasting T May as she signed an agreement back in December which was supposed to have solved the Irish issue. Seems not. We don’t have the technology btw, and if we did we wouldn’t have it up and running by next March, ooh no it’s now sometime in 2021. It’s not only voters who have no real idea of how negotiations are going, our government are divided and clueless as ever.

Crystaltipps thanks for the links.

So right lemongrove. I don't know about you but I am getting Brexit fatigue. No one around my neighbourhood talks about it at all anymore. The general feeling a while ago was just get on with it. Hard Brexit if we must. The EU need to know we mean business and if they want a border in Ireland then let them put one up on their side. I know it's not that simple, just feel that way. Fortunate I am not doing the negotiation.
The technical border is the way forward for the twenty first century "we have the technology" which programme is that from?

Asking voters what they think of how well Brexit is going is meaningless, since voters have no real idea of exactly what is being planned or how negotiations are really going.
It was always going to be a tortuous and long drawn out ducking and diving by both sides.We need to wait until the end of all this before we can draw conclusions.

yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=daily_questions&utm_campaign=question_1#/survey/ea30cfa2-6a2d-11e8-b423-d74e00ea34be/question/75c67445-6a2e-11e8-9d33-9d5c8eb86689/politics

Chrystaltipps can you send the link for YouGov survey 8th June again. The link given is showing an error 404 on the page.

Latest YouGov survey June 8th

What comes closest to your view on how well Brexit is going?
All Brits: 10% well, 73% badly
Remain: 5% well, 85% badly
Leave: 16% well, 70% badly
yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/re…

Yesterday’s YouGov poll showed that there has been a drop of 4% in the last month of those who think Brexit is going well, only 10% think it is going well 73% think it’s going badly. I think it may have dropped even lower since today’s Davis fudge.

They have signed up to a soft border in Ireland; now they have to accept what that means. And one thing it cannot mean is that a soft border expires on a certain date.

Not a big step away from retaining EEA membership, as in next weeks’s Parliamentary Amendments.
Although Remain would be simpler and better all round.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-resignation-brexit-secretary-theresa-may-crisis-over-a8387536.html

Today's fudge by May - looks likely to be rejected by the EU.

I find myself in the very strange position of willing Nicola Sturgeon of SNP and Aileen Foster of DUP to be as awkward and uncompromising as they can to stop this Brexit fiasco. What a dilemma as I cannot stand either of them. Talk about my enemy's enemy is my friend.

I have watched it Varian. The fact Chri Wylie is on TV and being interviewed does not give character references as the people who have worked with him clearly can.

I am quite clear that Channel 4 News is a much better source of reliable information than any brexit propaganda site.

Channel 4 news did not "just report what this chap said". He was interviewed and questioned at length by Krishnan Gurumurthy. Try watching this seven minute interview on you-tube. I watched it at the time and found him very convincing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jjc_7BWq84

You are clearly joking about channel 4 news Varian. It is a news programme, they are not analysing it, they just report what this chap said. What he said does not have to be true. Clearly it isn't on investigation.

I am aware of Brexit Central being a website in support of Brexit. Just as there are many who support remain. Propaganda does not mean the content is not true. It just means that both remain and leave organised supporters are putting out information to support their stance. It does not mean that what is being said is untrue.

You will see on the post's that the comments were made by the Liberal Democrats, who worked with Wylie during their time in co-alition government. Wylie employer Cambridge Analytica who clearly say he was not employed by them after 2014. Private Eye also reported on Wylie. As reported in Brexit Central. I concluded from these reports that Chris Wylie's information is fallacious and suspect based on his previous history. They can't all be wrong!

You mean you read the post varian? You must have some patience.
Interesting stuff today about the government’s unpreparedness, the lack of competence in the government and lack of direction we are taking. ( see the Times, the FT ) It seems Brexiteers who are pleased with the way things are going must be acting on faith as there is no evidence that things are going to be marvellous anytime soon on any measure. Brexiteers voted to cut immigration and £350m a week for the NHS, I don’t know if they still think this is really going to happen. Few voted to make trade with our closest neighbours more difficult, but hey the EUs fault isn’t it.? It’s bonkers to think the EU is going to change their clearly laid out terms just because we’re British and sooo important. Still no agreement on Irish border, just waiting for the DUP to pull the plug on their support for the government. And only a few weeks to the next stage of negotiations.

Be careful about the sources of "information" Brexitcentral is a propaganda website run by the extreme end of the Vote Leave campaign.

Channel 4 News is a well respected, impartial and reliable source of news.

"varian Wed 06-Jun-18 21:11:27"
Some balance to your post about Chris Wylie:
Don’t believe everything you hear or see on TV.
By MARK SCOTT
3/27/18, 5:46 PM CET

Updated 3/29/18, 9:18 PM CET
“Cambridge Analytica refuted Wylie’s accusations, saying that it did not inappropriately collect or share data on Facebook users with third-parties. It added that Wylie had been a “part-time contractor” who left the organization in 2014, who did not have any knowledge of the company’s workings beyond that date.
“A further independent audit alongside regulatory investigations will confirm this once and for all,” the company said in a message on Twitter. “There’s not much more we can say on the matter.”
www.politico.eu/article/cambridge-analytica-chris-wylie-brexit-trump-britain-data-protection-privacy-facebook/

"Christopher Wylie, the Cambridge Analytica ‘whistleblower’ who self-described as a “smear merchant” in his school yearbook, despite having toldmedia outlets that he was a high school dropout."

"Former Liberal Democrat colleagues revealed over the weekend that Wylie had been employed only on a fixed-term contract which was not renewed “because he is a compulsive bullsh*tter and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.” Nick Clegg’s former special adviser said he had “never met him while he was ‘working as a strategist for the Lib Dems in government’ “, while another former Lib Dem colleague said “Chris Wylie thinks he’s Edward Snowden when he’s actually Walter Mitty”."
"Wylie himself sent a pitch in January 2016 to Vote Leave Campaign Director, Dominic Cummings, (which Cummings rejected,) offering to “microtarget” voters using “next generation psychographic methods”, the same practices he has described as “grossly unethical” since becoming a whistleblower.

Wylie’s pitch was co-authored with Mark Gettleson, another Liberal Democrat who was forced to resign from Norman Lamb’s 2016 leadership campaign after being accused of unethical push polling. And last week, Private Eye revealed that other former colleagues of Wylie had described him as “arrogant”, a “fantasist” and a “narcissist”:
“They point, for example, to his boast that during the 2008 US election, aged 18, he “went to learn all things data from Obama’s national director of targeting, which he then introduced to Canada for the Liberal party”. This much touted “Obama campaign” involvement was actually a junior data-entry job.”
brexitcentral.com/revealed-brexit-whistleblowers-inconsistent-inaccurate-claims/

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Absolutely damning testimony by ex Cambridge Analytica employee Chris Wylie on Channel 4. Surely no-one can any longer doubt that the brexit vote was obtained by fraudulent practices and should be revoked

www.channel4.com/news/cambridge-analytica-whisteblower-chris-wylie-reacts-to-testimony-of-former-boss

"This is about the future....an expansive, outward looking Country fit for the next generations future." - this is empty rhetoric, a million miles away from reality.

Has our Brexit Trade man, Liam Fox, managed to negotoiate a single deal, let alone a deal on better terms than we already enjoy as EU members? Only last month Sky News reported that-

"Liam Fox has tried to allay concerns about a reduction in food standards after Brexit by revealing detailed discussions on a trade agreement with the US are yet to begin. The International Trade Secretary dismissed as "scaremongering" fears that Britain could be forced to accept the sale of food including chlorinated chicken or modified wheat. He told Sky News: "There are no preconditions about any potential agreement with the US. We haven't even begun to discuss in detail what any trade agreement might look like."

news.sky.com/story/liam-fox-no-detailed-discussion-yet-on-us-trade-deal-11354591

Since then of course our new best friend, Donald Trump has anounced new tarriffs of 25% on imported steel and 10% on aluminium which will damage us just as much as the rest of the EU. So much for the special relationship.

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Your last two post together do not make sense Mh.

This is so pointless when your like this.

Yes I don’t live in a fantasy world allyg.

Only in your world mostly.

Fantasy

"mostlyharmless Sun 03-Jun-18 17:26:45
Well said Varian. The Brexiteers are prepared to cause untold damage to Britain on the altar of “freedom” from the EU."

The majority vote at the Referendum and the majority vote at the General Election, means that the majority of electorate ,plus the two major political parties' in the UK, believe that leaving the EU will take this Country into the twenty first century.

The EU is a failing system and once Italy goes, the euro goes and the EEA countries will be in recession. In a modern capitalist world, economies have to be able to react quickly to financial threat from around the world. The EU cannot do this adequately.

You will have a lot to thank the majority of your fellow citizens for in the future. This Country is preparing for the twenty first century. Not sticking with an outdate system designed in another century to stop Germany from starting another war. This is about the future....an expansive, outward looking Country fit for the next generations future.

Well said Varian. The Brexiteers are prepared to cause untold damage to Britain on the altar of “freedom” from the EU.