Regret it Brexit Part 2

In the real world, how long would it take to move everything involved with the building of the airbus (in the uk) and get it up and running wherever that might be.
It's not realistic, is it?

Just think of all those families now worried sick and those who may not get to finish their apprenticeships.

If Airbus goes, a hundred thousand U.K. jobs would go. 14,000 employees and 80,000 further jobs from suppliers etc.

Airbus has warned it could leave the UK if it exits the European Union single market and customs union without a transition deal. The European planemaker said the warning was not part of "project fear", but was a "dawning reality".

Airbus employs 14,000 people at 25 sites in the UK - around half in Wales.

The UK government said it was confident of getting a good deal for all industries, but the Welsh government said it was "extremely worrying".

Last week, the outgoing president of the CBI said sections of UK industry faced extinction unless the UK stayed in the EU customs union.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44570931

Tens of thousands of people from every part of the UK – as well as a contingent from Gibraltar – will fill central London on Saturday 23rd June to demand a People’s Vote on the final Brexit deal in what will be the UK’s biggest ever pro-European protest march.

The March for a People’s Vote will be held on the second anniversary of the Brexit referendum. The campaign for a People’s Vote, which for the first time unites every major pro-European campaigning organisation, is gearing up for a summer of action and mobilisation – with the focus on getting grassroots activists to lobby their MPs to support a People’s Vote on the final Brexit deal.

The public mobilisation for the march starts today [Friday] with the campaign releasing a promotional video, which features a range of political figures and campaigners, and launching a crowd funding appeal to raise £100,000 to meet the costs of organising and advertising for the march.

www.open-britain.co.uk/biggest_ever_pro_european_march_to_be_held_on_23rd_june_for_a_people_s_vote

Very disappointing.
Just have to hope that the Government can negotiate a good Customs Union deal now.
Or a people’s vote on Brexit/Remain perhaps?

I'm so disappointed - I was hoping that integrity would win out.

Is this a victory for the anti-democratic forces of brexit

It's a very bad day for Parliamentary sovereignty.

But do people care about that?

The attempt to secure a “meaningful vote” that could have potentially given MPs the power to stop Britain leaving the EU without a deal has been defeated.

The final obstacle to the EU withdrawal bill was removed as MPs voted 303 to 319 against an amendment tabled by the former attorney general Dominic Grieve – before he accepted government reassurances about its respect for the power of MPs to hold it to account.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/20/lead-tory-rebel-dominic-grieve-accepts-brexit-meaningful-vote-compromise

So there will be no meaningful vote! Is this a victory for the anti-democratic forces of brexit - The Daily Mail, Express, Sun, Farage, Aaron Banks, Vladimir Putin et al ?

Another sad day for our parliamentary democracy as TM has "seen off" a vote by the pro-EU Tories. Only six of them- Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen, Antoinette Sandbach and Phillip Lee - rebelled while four Labour MPs backed the government and six other Labour MPs abstained, as did Kelvin Hopkins, who sits as an independent after having the whip withdrawn.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44542156

Dr Sarah Woolaston tweeted- " I continue to be concerned about the risks of a cliff-edge, no-deal Brexit which I think would have devastating consequences for individuals, businesses & communities. That is why I voted for Parliament to have a meaningful final vote. I am disappointed by today’s result"

It is also quite possible for Theresa May to be toppled in the next couple of weeks as there are a significant number of Tory MPs who will never agree to a "deal or no deal" scenario if "no deal" means crashing out of the EU and inflicting untold damage on this country.

Former attorney general Dominic Grieve vowed not to bow to pressure and risk leaving the EU without an agreement – which he called a demand to “sign up to a slavery clause”. It asked that “however potentially catastrophic it might be for my constituents and my country, I’m signing in blood now that I will follow over the edge of the cliff”, he warned. “That I can tell you I am not prepared to do"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-dominic-grieve-collapse-government-theresa-may-final-vote-eu-a8403041.html

If Angela Merkel is toppled in the next couple of weeks all this angst and hand wringing will have been for nothing.
Negotiations will take a very different turn.

weak-kneed definition: 1. not brave or determined enough to defend your beliefs against others: 2. made to feel weak and likely to fall by emotion
Are you saying Varian is not brave enough or determined enough to defend her beliefs about Brexit? I don’t think you’ve been following her strong advocacy of Remain on Gransnet, if you think that dauntless.

And your point is Dauntless?

No. Never. What sort of weak-kneed appeaser are you?

This is what the Institute for Fiscal Studies has to say about the so-called "brexit bonus" trumpeted by the right wing tabloids - the fact is we will have less to spend on the NHS than we would if we reamained in the EU.

"In other words, so far the implication is that Brexit has reduced rather than increased the funds available for the NHS (and other public services), both in the short and long term. Although subsequent growth after the OBR’s forecast has been slightly stronger than expected, the medium-term outlook is now gloomier than in November 2016.

All forecasts are uncertain, and the fact we do not yet know what the UK’s post-Brexit relationship with the EU will be adds additional uncertainty. However, the OBR forecast is predicated on a relatively smooth transition, putting it at the optimistic end of the spectrum; in a ‘no deal’ scenario, in which the UK reverted to World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules, the economic dislocation would be much larger. Moreover, the OBR has not as yet incorporated any longer-term negative impacts of Brexit on productivity, and some economists expect these to be significant. "

www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10354

Thanks for the link Welshwife, but sorry to say I think it is totally ridiculous .

Found the link to an interesting article this morning.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-conservatives-brexit-grenfell-windrush-a8401961.html

Conservative MPs preparing to face down Theresa May next week are not rebels or traitors, but pragmatists who want to stop Britain going over a cliff edge, a leading member of the pro-Europe group has said.

Antoinette Sandbach told the Guardian the media toxicity surrounding even the most basic scrutiny of Brexit was transforming British society. “We are not rebels. We are pragmatic leavers. We don’t want to go off the edge of a cliff which would be a disaster for my constituents,” she said. The MP for the largely rural Cheshire constituency of Eddisbury has voted against the government line just four out of 631 times since being elected in 2015, twice on a free vote about restoration plans for parliament, and another two on the ‘meaningful vote’ amendment.

“People put a label on you and call you a traitor and it’s ridiculous, it’s absolutely ridiculous,” Sandbach said. “This is the most complex thing that we have done for 40 years. There’s a level of debate and drilling down into the detail which has to be done. To try and do that, you’re accused of betraying the will of the people. Britain used to have a reputation for being polite and courteous; have we really turned into this shouty society that just screams at each other?”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/16/brexit-withdrawal-bill-tory-mp-antoinette-sandbach

Theresa May’s fragile truce with pro-EU Tory MPs is close to breaking down after Downing Street limited talks on allowing the Commons to shape Brexit if it rejects a deal with Brussels.

Mrs May avoided a defeat in votes on the Brexit bill last night with a promise to hold talks over what happens if MPs reject her deal with Brussels.

Dominic Grieve, the former attorney general, has tabled an amendment to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill that seeks to maximise MPs’ influence in that scenario including a section that empowers them to “direct” the government.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-cannot-have-its-hands-tied-by-parliament-as-brexit-fight-with-tory-rebels-continues-hd373z682

JRM and his like have no shame. If I had ever been taken in by his rhetoric, and voted leave because of his bland assurances, I would be truly ashamed.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has moved his investment fund “Somerset Capital Management” to Ireland because of fears about the effect on the company of a “hard” Brexit.

It’s ironic considering that he has been pushing for a hard Brexit for UK. But he can protect his millions from the worst effects of Brexit by relocating his company in Dublin!

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/13/tory-mp-jacob-rees-mogg-defends-setting-hedge-fund-branch-ireland/

The man who bankrolled the Leave.EU campaign today told a parliamentary inquiry into fake news that he wasn’t averse to leading voters “up the garden path” over Brexit.

Leave.EU founder Arron Banks and the organisation’s communications chief Andy Wigmore were being grilled by MPs on the House of Commons Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee over the conduct of their campaign in the 2016 EU referendum.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leaveeu-founder-arron-banks-we-would-lead-people-up-the-garden-path-if-we-had-to-on-brexit-a3861026.html

If I had been "led up the garden path" by Banks and his millions, I would certainly regret voting Leave.

Apologies for the duplication at beginning! Phone error. .

Simply saying that anti Brexit MPs should not have stood for re-election is rather simplistic and is trying

Stating that anti Brexit MPs should not have stood for reelection is rather simplistic. They were selected as candidates by constituency parties happy with their stance on that and other issues. The GE was not fought on a single issue. Plenty of manifesto promises end up undeliverable or u turned. As we know from recent history. Lots of candidates from all parties declared themselves anti Brexit and were elected on that basis in their constituencies. Simply reiterating that all candidates were elected on a pro Brexit ticket is wishful thinking . One of May’s achievements yesterday was to make concessions to Tory rebels in order to win the parliamentary vote. This buys her time to continue kicking the can a bit further down the road.