Inquiry Demanded into Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party.

Grandad, so far as I’m aware, there have been no prosecutions of organised groups of white men grooming or abusing Muslim girls. There have been any number of prosecutions of groups of men coordinating the abuse of boys and girls. The men come from all cultures and races. Occasionally, they’re supported by women.
You’re reading of the press is correct when you conclude that many other cultures, including British Pakistani Muslim families, keep their girl children in the home. Boys are allowed more freedom.

There is a section of our population who describe all Asian people as "Pakis" and can't really distinguish between Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. They are not particularly accepting of non-white people, whatever their cultural background but at the present time they feel they can get away with having a go at Muslims without too much fuss being made.

Playing around with definitions of Islamophobia is a way of trying to muddy the issue and make it appear more complex than it really is. The Muslim Council of Great Britain has detailed several incidents which, in my view, can only be described as Islamaphobic/racist:

Participating in an article which refers to Muslims as "parasites" who "live off the state";

Re-tweeting racist statements made by a number of far right, high profile anti-immigrant individuals;

Referring to Islam as the "New Nazism", etc. etc. etc.

Frankly, I am not a religious person and have no especial liking or respect for any mainstream religion or offshoot, apart perhaps from Quakerism. But I don't agree with the way in which Muslim people have been singled out and held responsible for the actions of other Muslims. Apart from it being wrong to treat people in that way, it is counter-productive because people who feel they are under attack are more likely to isolate themselves further from mainstream society, thus reinforcing a bunker mentality.

Actually, I think the racists amongst our population actually want to create that bunker mentality and so go out of their way to promote division and conflict in order to draw more people into their hate-filled ranks.

Wikipedia:
"Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party has been the subject of public debate[1][2][3][4] since Jeremy Corbyn was first elected as Labour Party leader in September 2015 to the present date, and was first raised as an issue during Corbyn's initial leadership election campaign.
The current situation can be traced back to two allegations in 2016 from comments made by Naz Shah and Ken Livingstone, both of whom were suspended pending investigation. The controversy prompted Corbyn to establish the Chakrabarti Inquiry to investigate the allegations of antisemitism in the Labour Party. A number of party activists, have either been expelled or suspended after allegations of antisemitism. While Labour Party investigations concluded that some had brought the party into disrepute, others were subsequently reinstated after disciplinary measures. One senior figure resigned from the party in 2018 after being suspended for two years. Corbyn himself was the subject of controversy in 2018 over his comments in 2012 concerning the removal of an allegedly antisemitic mural were brought to public notice and for being a (seldom participating) member of three Facebook groups in which antisemitic content was posted.[5]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party

The accusations from The Muslim Council of Britain against some Conservative MP's that they have engaged in behaviour, or made comments that stem from Islamaphobic sources, needs urgent investigation.

No doubt a similar internal party enquiry will be set up as the one that Corbyn set up, when under pressure, because of anti semitic behaviour and feeling being reportedly wide spread throughout the Labour party and activist movement Momentum. See Wikipedia information above.

I still don’t understand your point joelsnan.
It’s pretty clear from twitter that there is lots of racism in the Tory party which is the subject of this thread. But it’s not suitable to be reposted on here.
It should be investigated. If there is no Islamaphobia, antisemitism or racism the Conservatives can clear their name.

Ah got you Joelsnan..sorry misunderstood. I think the answer would have to be religious prejudice.

Allgran1 Kafir is what may be classed as a somewhat derogatory term that Muslims used to define anyone who does not accept the Muslim faith.

My example to mostlyharmless was a Muslim who was experiencing Islamaphobia but was a white British, would you call this racism or religious prejudice?

mostlyharmless No, I am saying if he was facing prejudice because of his Muslim faith how could this be classed as racism if he was white British. Surely the Islamaphobia would be because of his religion not his race. Does this clarify?

So are you’re implying joelsnan that my cousin (as above) would be afraid of Muslims? Why would he have married a Muslim if he was afraid of them?
Very puzzling!

Joelsnan that is a very interesting question. If Islamaphobia is fear of Islam, then based on that, anyone who has Islamaphobia will be fearful of someone who is Islamic of any ethnic group would you think?

Your example person might be Kaffaarphobic which is fear of anyone who is not Islamic.

Grandad thanks I will. I did find as you can see a definition of Islamaphobia, along with a couple of other links dealing with questions about Islam. Very interesting.

I found this definition of Islamaphobia:
There is also a word used by Islam which is "Kaffaars" there are a variety of explanations of this word. See link.
If one adds phobia then this is the equivalent term for Islamaphobia - fear of Islam then Kaffaarphobia would be fear of non believers or a whole host of other possibilities for the meaning of Kaffaar, non of which are meant to be insulting in anyway.

abdullahalandalusi.com/2016/05/05/the-quranic-use-of-the-word-kafir/

"The term Islamophobia is contested because it is often imprecisely applied to very diverse phenomena, ranging from xenophobia to anti-terrorism. As Marcel Maussen points out in his chapter below, ‘the term “Islamophobia” groups together all kinds of different forms of discourse, speech and acts, by suggesting that they all emanate from an identical ideological core, which is an “irrational fear” (a phobia) of Islam.’ "
www.antoniocasella.eu/nume/Cesari_2006.pdf

There is also a link for Dr. Zakir Naik, President of Islamic Research foundation, who lecturers and answers questions about Islam.

archive.org/stream/CommonQuestionsAskedByNon-muslimsAboutIslam/commonquestions_3rded_djvu.txt
All interesting I thought.

Allygran1, my interpretation of "Islamaphobia" would be when a person or group of persons attempts to encourage fear and hatred of ethnic Muslims in others.

In regard to white gangs grooming Muslim girls and children, then that is I feel normally carried out in areas where many disadvantaged children and young are to be found (sink estates). That grooming is not in all probability solely concentrated on the Muslim community, but more across the range of ethnicities found on such estates.

It is probably more difficult to target Muslim young people due to very strong family ties and discipline, at least that is how it is portrayed by much of the media.

Try a Google search Allygran1 I am sure I have seen such a case as the above not long ago.

Interesting joelsnan. My cousin is just as you describe a white, middle aged, middle class businessman, who is also a Muslim.
He married a Malaysian Muslim, took her faith and they have two beautiful children together.
I don’t really understand your question though. Why would he be “suffering Islamaphobia” at all?

mostlyharmless based on your perception of racism, how would you define prejudice against a white British middle aged and classed man who held the Muslim faith?
Would he be suffering Islamaphobia based on his race or religion?

Islamaphobia, does this word mean fear of Islam?

Grandad did I read you right you said "Joelsman yes a percentage of white male gangs will groom and abuse Asian derived young girls".

This too is dreadful. Can you tell us where this has happened and have these men been prosecuted?

This sort of thing with any sort of racist grooming of children girls or boys must be exposed and condemned.

Thanks Grandad for this OP. Islamaphobia is a significant issue that can too easily be ‘sanitised ‘ by conflating the Muslim faith with terrorism and organised CSE by men of largely Pakistani heritage, men from the Muslim community.
As others have said, the sexual abuse and exploitation of children crosses race, class and cultural boundaries. It has for as lng as history has been recorded. It causes significant psychological and emotional harm. We therefore need to understand why so many people, mainly men, find Babies, infants, small children, pre pubescent and adolescent children sexually attractive. Hopefully, the recent convictions of male grooming gangs in oxford, Rochdale, Rotherham etc will help in that process.
Research my show the largest number of sex offenders in this country are white. So are the majority of the population. I find it difficult to believe that men of any ethnic origin who are involved in the depraved sexual abuse and exploitation, will confine their behaviour to children outside their family / friendship circle.

Islamaphobia becomes much more than talk in the above

Yes BlueBelle, the right wing papers always talk up Muslim grooming of others and I think we all have come to expect that.

The problem becomes much larger and more serious when that sort of action is carried out in the party which is currently governing Britain. It becomes even more serious again when an MP in that party is alleged to have been involved in even more extreme actions in that regard.

Why does “Ethnicity” equate to “Religion”?
Coptic Christians, Druze, maybe Sikhs, Hindus for all I know could all originate in the same geographical areas as Muslims.

nicenanny About ten years ago I worked with a young man who had been groomed and passed around his parents friends yes his parents friend, they were all white teachers
Of course the media love to make a great deal of any Muslim grooming gangs it’s great for their circulation but there are plenty of white groomers too please believe me probably just not such exciting headlines

I feel it would all be covered under the Equality act. That encompasses Gender, race, religion, sexual orientation etc.

The term ethnicity is usually used to define a group of persons sharing a common cultural heritage. Religion is an important component of any cultural heritage.

So the definition of racism in the 1965 Race Relations Act includes ethnicity which includes religion.

I’m sure everyone is clear that in the real world that “ Islamaphobia” is racist.

mostlyharmless Yes, being Islamaphobic is not being racist. It is being prejudicial towards ones religious beliefs. In this case Islam. There are Muslims within all races African, Asian and Caucasian

And as such does not apply to Islam any more than it applies to Christianity.
I do think it is /inflammatory/ downright dangerous to conflate Islam with all Asians or indeed with fundamentalism or terrorism..