Inquiry Demanded into Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party.

Are you suggesting Joelsnan that the Conservative party being “Islamaphobic” is not being racist?

Racism as defined in the Race Relations Act:

The legal definition, starting with the 1965 Race Relations Act, which refers to less favourable treatment on grounds of colour, race, or ethnic or national origins.

mostlyharmless Islam is a religion not a race.

If the Conservatives have nothing to feel ashamed of they should accept that an objective investigation would prove that they are not racist.
If they have something to hide they should accept that they can take action and improve.

Oviusly the Muslim council realise that from their own community there are gangs and individuals who will abuse other ethnic groups, just as there are in other communities carrying out the same

However, what the Muslim Council are pointing out would be that within the governing political party in Britain there are those that seek to play up such racist acts in their words and actions.

Britain's MPs are supposed to set the example in tolerance by way of the legislation they set for the guidence of all.

Whether the above is the case with this Conservative party is the subject of this thread.

I was talking about the UK, I have never heard of a white UK grooming gang targeting Muslim/Asian girls here only the Asian men targeting white girls and I agree if they are white, black, brown or whatever they should be jailed or worse castrated in my opinion, so no blinkers here.

How have concerns re Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party morphed into yet another airing of the Asian sex gangs issue?

Exactly what I was thinking, Eloethan.

I know that threads wander but not usually quite so early on.

The thread topic is Islamaphobia. Not all asians are muslims and not all muslims are asian; odd how some people jump straight from muslims to asian grooming gangs..

Exactly eloethan.
I think some posters wear blinkers and only see what they expect to see.

Well said Ally, we only have to recall the treatment of Sarah Chanpion

How have concerns re Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party morphed into yet another airing of the Asian sex gangs issue?

These are extracts from the Guardian in February this year:

"When sex offender Richard Huckle wrote an abuse manual entitled “Paedophiles and poverty: child love guide on how to select deprived victims and avoid detection”, he boasted that “impoverished kids are definitely much easier to seduce than middle-class western kids”.

........ "Huckle began abusing children on his gap year in south-east Asia and continued to do so for nine years.

......."In 2015 a freedom of information request revealed that 154 British nationals were detained overseas for child sex offences. Yet such incidents are only recorded if the local police or the suspects themselves report them to the embassy."

Or this, from the Daily Mail, September 2015:

"A gang of paedophiles who raped babies, toddlers and pre-school children and streamed the abuse over the internet have been jailed for 78 years.

...,."Matthew Stansfield ran a chat room specifically for those with an interest in abusing or raping young children and babies

......" Known victims of the men include one baby, aged between three and seven months at the time of the abuse, a four-year-old boy and a boy aged between four and five."

Or this from The Daily Mail in 2012:

"A soldier who was part of a sex abuse ring that held 'paedophile parties' has been jailed indefinitely.

...." The soldier abused a schoolgirl for up to 18 months and had even begun grooming her to become an animal porn star, the judge was told.

"He filmed hundreds of indecent videos and still photo images of the molestation and sent the sick material to a string of other perverts by email.

...." Three other members of the gang were also jailed indefinitely in September - retired Nicholas Cordery, 63, from Wiltshire, charity worker Peter Malpas, 47, from Moulton, Northamptonshire and IT trainer Anthony Flack, 54, from Bristol.

Yes, there is a very grave problem with paedophilia, both in this country and abroad - but don't kid yourself that nice white people don't indulge in such violence and depravity. Such acts are carried out by all sorts of people - and the crimes against children that white men commit overseas are well known to concerned activists but don't receive anywhere near as much attention.

The Australian authorities are, I believe, in the process of revoking the passports of convicted paedophiles who travel to poor countries with the express intention of abusing young children.

What paedophiles look out for is vulnerability/availability, not ethnicity.

Well Grandad1943 I've never heard of any white male grooming gangs abusing Asian girls only Asian grooming gangs abusing white girls. Also most terrorist acts are carried out in the name of Islam.

Joelsman yes a percentage of white male gangs will groom and abuse Asian derived young girls. A percentage of the population will commit terrorist acts on other faiths.

However, Britain is now a multi ethnic and multi cultured country and regulations have to be in place to ensure that outright racist acts by one community on another do not go unchallenged or unpunished.

The MPs of this country have to set the example of living up to the regulations that they and those before them have set. For without such regulations the National Front, ISIS and many other such groups would go without challenge in all they would say and do.

Therefore, without those regulations Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech may well have come true on our streets

It has to be said, that generalising about anything is very wrong. Grandad you comment about "However, in the above, there are those in our society who would portray the members of those gangs as being typical of the standards of the whole Muslim community in Britain. " This will be true of some people, sadly. However, right minded people are more than capable of distinguishing between bad men and women and good men and women whatever race.

I should also say that I believe that I have personally never seen these grooming gangs referred to as Muslim, Asian yes but not Muslim men.

It is equally wrong to stereotype any one. But neither is it right that to prove that point the truth is suppressed especially when children are involved.

Using figures to try to disprove a racist point about the grooming gangs I mentioned in Rochdale does not make them suddenly respectable, by comparison to a larger figure of white people abusing minors on a one to one basis or grooming gangs, they are still bad men and they are Asian and they abuse habitually as a gang. It does not mean ergo that all Asian men are bad. It is nonsense for any intelligent person to think that way.

There is another point that should be made when looking at the figures that are being quoted, all of these men or women in those figures are bad people whatever their colour or creed. However the difference between the grooming gangs and any of the others perps is, that they work as a gang, they pass children around between them for years and give them drugs and disease, and because these children were white they did not matter. They were less than animals to these men.

Addressing these issues does not taint other Asian people by association. In fact the Asian community in Rochdale were as one would expect, just as horrified as everyone else. But again, fear of being tainted by association prevented them from speaking up as well, to protect the dozens and dozens of girl children used over the years.

That is why discussions about these grooming gangs is such an emotive topic. There was a conspiracy of silence from the Town council, Police, Social services, GP's and some communities who knew, because of fear for themselves rather than the need to protect the vulnerable. A failure in the fabric of Rochdale and other Towns cultural veneer. This is the real shame here.

Grandad1943 conversely For percentage population, how many white male gangs throughout UK groom and abuse Asian derived young girls.
For percentage population how many terrorist acts have been enacted by men of other faiths.
The fact that many Brits do not consider that prejudices are a two way street seem to me either naive or arrogant to think that others might not like them.
On the whole the majority of society wherever they come from just want to get on with their lives. I sometimes wonder wether discrimination laws referencing race or religion and diversity rather than integration have caused more problems than they gave cured.

Allygran1, as I stated, Muslim gang grooming of young white girls does take place. However only a very small minority of the population of the Muslim community in Britain act in such a way.

In the above, only a very small section of that community are radical and an even lesser section would consider carrying out a terrorist act and that is the fact that those who engage in Islamaphobic words and deeds do not point out.

Islamaphobia carried out by a MP is especially reprehensible as they are the very people who should be guiding the population away from such acts.

Well said Allygran1.

This is actually about racism. This is about bad men who group together to 'use' children from another culture in this case only white children as prostitutes. Racism is a two way street. In this case those girls were chosen because they were considered I was told by the Foster carer as 'white trash'. That is racism.

We would be saying this about any gang of men whatever colour, religion or culture if they were choosing only asian girls and they were from another culture to "use" or if they were choosing only Chinese girls. Just how much more racist can that be.

Racism of any description is wrong. But we have to remember it is a two way street in these cases and acknowledge that these girls in these Northern town and I know in other area's of the Country it has come to light recently, have been badly served because of blinkered bigotry..that is a two way street as well.

nanny3 as I said earlier in the thread:
Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.
You have chosen to concentrate on the 4% on a thread about racism.

Oh for goodness sake! Do you know what makes people more convinced of the whole fear of speaking out that surrounds things like grooming gangs in places like Rochdale just to mention one, it is those who keep denying it.

How many white children have been groomed by these gangs in places like Rochdale because it was too sensitive to speak up.

Some years ago I came across a couple who were Foster carers and they were at the whitsend. One of the girls they fostered was being "used" by a group of men and these men were Asian men, there is no way of getting round that fact. He told me she was not the only one, there were dozens of these children being passed around for sex and most had been given drugs, some became addicts, some became pregnant or had sexually transmitted diseases.

The foster carer felt completely impotent to deal with it. He had been down to the backstreets of the town, on many nights to find his charge, he had even taken this girl out of the bed of two men on one occasion and he was assaulted by three of this grooming gang.

The Police did not want to know, and his MP was useless at that time. This he said went on for several years with this one child. Only when a new MP came along and spoke up was anything done. This was turning a blind eye on a grand scale because we fear identifying bad people, because of their colour, religion or culture. How shameful.
We have to stop defending the indefensible on the grounds of political correctness which is not correct at all when it is true.

Mostlyharmless why miss out Nice that is my forum name Nicenanny how petty and childish just because you don't agree with my post. Your attitude is why these grooming gangs went unchallenged for years abusing white vulnerable girls, obviously this behaviour is OK with you because you don't want to be seen as racist.

M0nica
It will probably also be found that most sexual abuse in and around the home is carried by white Britons, if my local newspapers are anything to go by.

It may be found that most reported sexual abuse is by white Britons, however this is rife throughout all ethnicities and is not in the public domain as it would never be reported because of the 'shame' phenomena and the patriarchy that dominates many families.

It is fair to comment that there has been grooming gangs in Britain that are from the Muslim community, and of recent there has been a very high profile case involving such a Muslim based gang.

However, in the above, there are those in our society who would portray the members of those gangs as being typical of the standards of the whole Muslim community in Britain. That as we all should recognise is not the case as the vast majority of Muslim people in Britain along with other ethnic groups only wish to live peacefully and abide by the laws of this country.

Sadly, however, many of us witness racism in our everyday lives and in the workplace it can be especially prevalent hiding under the guise of humour. However, as I portrayed in a different thread, racism in the workplace can be demoralising to the recipients and in that cause incidents and accidents.

Therefore, I feel that racism must be fought by all of us in society and at at every level. Therefore, to hear that racism is very prevalent in yet another of our leading political parties is very disturbing I find as those are the very organizations that we all should be looking to set an example of having no racism within their ranks.

The above is even more disturbing when it is considered the conservative party is an organisation of only seventy thousand (according to its own Bow Group) and therefore such islamaphobic conduct as has been reported should be easily have controlled by those whose job it is to take out those perpetrating such conduct.

But Nicenanny3 was not talking about all sexual offences against children, only about those men in grooming gangs. - and she was clearly specific about that and that information has been collated and published by the police.

It will probably also be found that most sexual abuse in and around the home is carried by white Britons, if my local newspapers are anything to go by.

Yes annie all forms of racism are equally unacceptable of course.

Well nanny3 (I’ll miss out the nice) to put sexual offences against children in more perspective:

Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.