Likely consequenses of brexit

Juncker has not got himself involved in trade talks with us, so far.

We can't have trade talks with the EU until we are a third country.

But now it's reported that Berlin is very worried for its car exports to the US.

Any sensible country would be worried about the loss of any of its trade. Which is why I can't understand why Leavers are salivating over the prospect of losing trade with the EU... Especially as we have no trade deals lined up for exit day. Unless countries we currently trade with through EU deals are kind enough to roll over our T & Cs until we've negotiated new deals with them. A big if....

MaizieD
The US is a third county, but he's still going to Washington to talk about trade

It is, but not a member of the EU. The U.K. is in a unique position for a few months.

The US is slightly larger than us, Petra and, I don't know if you've noticed this but we are not yet a third country.

Also, the US is supposedly the 'leader of the free world'; we're not. They are more important than us. Something you'll have to get used to, perhaps.

Sorry, Welshwife, I repeated part of your answer.

Actually crystaltipps we do still make cars, we drive a British Nissan. And very nice it is too.

They won't be 'British' for much longer, Nfk

No? I must have missed it on the news. When and where are they going?

A rather low % of the electorate, so in your view over 60% of the electorate do not matter?

Perhaps somebody is stockpiling them Nfk

I don’t think anyone who drives a Merc will want to trade it in for a Micra.

Jeremy Hunt has claimed Vladimir Putin would be the "only person" celebrating a "no deal" Brexit - despite the prime minister's regular insistence "no deal is better than a bad deal".

The new foreign secretary made the claim following a meeting on Monday with his German counterpart Heiko Mass. Posting on Twitter, Mr Hunt said the pair held an "excellent discussion" about the "unintended geopolitical consequences" of the UK leaving the EU without a divorce agreement.

He added: "Only person rejoicing would be Putin."

news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt-warns-of-brexit-no-deal-by-accident-on-germany-trip-11446097

And Jeremy Hunt is not the only person to have highlighted the Putin / Brexit connection.

"Boris Johnson's father has called for the Brexit referendum to be "re-run" in the event "perfectly obvious" Russian interference in the vote is proven. Stanley Johnson, a former European Commission employee and ex-MEP, accused Moscow of meddling in the 2016 vote, during which his son spearheaded the Leave campaign."

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-dad-wants-brexit-re-run-over-obvious-russia-meddling-11390068

The only reason Putin might be interested would be the loss of subsidy to the Eastern European countries that border Russia. When the gravy train slows they might find an alliance with Russia a more favourable option.
Many fail to acknowledge the part played by Russia and lives lost dfending Europe from Germany

It is well understood that Putin's aim is to destabilise the West and in 2016 he had two great successes when he manipulated the results of the USA presidential election and our EU referendum. Even Trump has now conceded that his intelligence services have proved that the Russians interfered in his election.

Remember that the only foreign politicians to back brexit were Trump, Marine le Pen and Putin. It has always shocked me that so many British voters were prepared to ignore that.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/08/dont-forget-how-the-soviet-union-saved-the-world-from-hitler/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cba253bb1aab

There is no concrete evidnce of manipulation.
Trump accused Clinton of colluding with Russia and now others a claiming Trump colluded. Its all smoke and mirrors to cover internal political manouvering.
The majority of British voters dont give a hoot about external commentators. Obama being a case in point.

The reason for all of this confusion and clashing messaging is simple: The President of the United States has a set of convictions as it relates to Russia and their attempts to interfere in the 2016 election that are directly at odds with the nation's intelligence community and everyone else (not named Devin Nunes) in a position to know what they are talking about.

Trump is unwilling/incapable of decoupling these two ideas: 1) Russia tried to meddle in the election to help him and 2) He is President anyway. Acknowledging the first doesn't invalidate the second. Russia can have tried to cheat the system and Trump could have won fair and square anyway.

Everyone around him sees that. The Senate Intelligence Committee. The CIA director. The FBI director. The Director of National Intelligence. And what they also see is that Russia is already back at their meddling, buoyed by the successes they achieved in 2016.

edition.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/donald-trump-russia/index.html

varian
What would be Russia's anticipated outcome of the 'meddling' be?

And you wonder from we, British expats retired in the EU, are worried- possible no access to health care, tanking pound, and now, the icing on the cake:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-ex-pat-pensions-illegal-retired-eu-europe-theresa-may-a8461166.html

no access to our own pensions. And you are surprised we are panicking about post Brexit?

No wish to pry Jura but as you do not live in the EU at present anyway, how would that affect you?

Just because we are one of the very few, only a handful I know, of UK retirees in Switzerland- and might, or might not be affected - does not mean we do not care. Switerland has reciprocal agreements with the EU- we are exempt from paying Swiss healthcare insurance at the moment, to the tune of about £600 a MONTH for the 2 of us- this will probably cease. And the falling pound certainly does and will. Everytime there is a EU or wrld crisis, the Swiss France rises, as £ falls. I did say we had lost 50% of income since we bought the house here 10 years ago. Those in the EU lost less as the Euro also remained low- about 20%- which can make all the difference and scupper the best organised plans.

And because of the likelyhood that reciprocal agreement will fall, the same will apply to us. We, expats/immigrants in mainland Europe are all in the same boat together, but in slightly different ways depending on the individual country.

I am not complaining- but you did ask.

Nissan has issued warnings about the need to relocate to another part of Europe in the absence of a deal strong enough to allow it to continue to manufacture here. I found it astounding that the area in which its based voted Leave.

Before this announcement re Pensions, moving to the EU, where prices are much lower- was a real option for us, now my parents no longer need us. It is not now

That was how I had understood it, but you wrote
we, British expats retired in the EU
so I wondered if I had got it wrong.