so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Terribull these 'resistant golfers' will be given picks and shovels and ordered to work under my new regime. I may, if fuel is available, allowed them to use petrol rotovators to speed up the process.

Any green turf will be piled up to make compost.

Jalima and Elgran whilst your suggestions regarding the conversion of golf courses into allotments and fish farms are indeed very good, I think you are overlooking one important factor "the golfer him or herself" these people are simply not amenable to their hallowed ground being used for such purposes, the few I've spoken to don't seem to acknowledge the urgency of the problems we will be facing.

As it is I'm trying to prepare our home bunker with the supplies we will need, making sure the mung beans don't abut the tins of spam in deference to the vegetarians in the extended family. I'm impeded by a bloody great set of golf clubs and electric trolly plus other golfing paraphernalia that is taking up precious storage space for non perishable food and toilet rolls, and yes has anyone factored those into prospective shortages I wonder Once I reach full capacity, I'm concerned I won't have room for my small table that we were instructed to get under should the button be pressed as prescribed by some previous government, but nevertheless sound advice I imagine. It does occur to me that maybe the EU itself could join the long list of hostile nations who may wish to nuke as of next year, but maybe our annihilation could be achieved in a far less destructive way by simply with holding vital exports such as Danone yogurts, Belgian Chocolates, Brie, Salami etc, It's all very worrying and under the circumstances, a strong table to climb under is a must, so the golf clubs will just have to go once I get round to stockpiling the tinned Snook

It would be interesting to know if food would be more expensive if produced locally to where it is sold - perhaps the higher costs would be offset by the reduced transport costs.

It could cause problems...
There could be riots if there are no strawberries at Christmas

Jalima1108, even if Britain grows more if its own produce, that produce still has to be moved from the growers to the supermarkets on Trucks. Therefore, it will still require the same number of trucks on Britains roads or possibly more.

If all the local golf courses are turned into allotments, we can get to them on our bicycles Grandad and bring back the strings of onions etc in the panniers.

Although I did notice that the French onion seller I used to see at a local market with his bicycle and strings of onions had a rather large estate car parked down the road full of the rest of his supplies of onions.

Elegran with every respect to your post a 12:42 today, but i believe that it is just wishful thinking.

How much extra would it cost for the many hundreds of families just about managing in Britain today to buy all their groceries at local convenience stores rather than supermarkets???

Also with the majority of both parents working to "make ends meet" where indeed would the time for such shopping come from?

Wonder if we will have the black market as we did in WW2 and some years after !

Grandad1943
In your first link the managers of Sainsbury's and the Co-op said: * there were no problems with supplies*
From your second link I would suggest that haulage companies recognise the skill of driving an HGV and pay them accordingly. These skilled men have had the pee taken out of them for years, and not helped in any way by someone taking the job for half the pay.

I don't think we grow enough food to be self sufficient enough to realise your dream, Elegran.

I think that an abrupt return to the 50s with only seasonal foodstuffs available would be a culture shock too far for the generations who are used to buying out of season foods. It could cause problems...

Cheap food can be very expensive in the long term.

A very valid point Elegran and one which, perhaps for different reasons, the Environmental lobby have been trying to make for some time.
We have become conditioned to ease of supply, to huge lorries and huge supermarkets with all the ramifications of logistics - lorries clogging up the motorways, air miles for out of season food, small companies and artisan producers going to the wall because they can’t compete. Was all that to support low prices and cheap supplies?
It seems to me we are paying a heck of a price for “cheap”.

Perhaps with distribution becoming more difficult and more expensive, smaller local shops selling products sourced from smaller-scale local enterprises will gradually take the place of the monster supermarkets, Grandad.

Maybe we will regain our enthusiasm for food from known growers which has an individual taste instead of all eating exactly the same things produced in vast factories and fields and driven hundreds of miles to stock tose supermarket shelves.

People might even learn how to make varied and delicious meals themselves from basic ingredients from their own area. It can be done. We did it for centuries.

If you want to know more about the practicalities of cross border transport, listen to this conversation between a man who knows what he is talking about and a man who has not got the first clue.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=55VTV9nsumE

Here is a better link in regard to the current LGV driver shortage.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/5335306/trucker-shortage-threatens-post-brexit-trade-boom-with-45000-jobs-to-fill/

Jalima1108, even if Britain grows more if its own produce, that produce still has to be moved from the growers to the supermarkets on Trucks. Therefore, it will still require the same number of trucks on Britains roads or possibly more.

And, of course, the more we can produce locally, the fewer trucks clogging up the roads when we need to get to our allotments and staycations.

Wonderful idea Elegran

I am appointing you Minister for Food in the new post-Brexit government, which will be composed entirely of Gransnetters.

Apologies should be "shortages" in my above post, not "hostages"

Although thinking about it it could be that we are now all hostages to this Brexit situation.

Jalima Fish farms in the lakes?

Petra quote [ Has anyone become aware of shortages in relation to the massive holdups at the channel tunnel?
We are continuously being told how time critical it is for the turn around of lorries.] End quote

Petra, perhaps you should check out the below links in regard to the current shortages in Britains supermarkets. I have just included one link here but there are many other media reports on the situation should you care to Google that

The second link is in regard to the LGV driver shortage that has been building up in the road transport industry over a considerable period of time. I believe it is the driver situation that is in all probability the main reason for the current hostages on our supermarket shelves.

The situation with the Channel Tunnel was in regard to one European transport infrastructure that being rail. The vast majority of Heavy Goods vehicles use the cross-channel ferries for reasons of economy.

One thing to think on in regard to Brexit, that being Britain is nearly fifty thousand qualified truck drivers short at this point in time. In that, should vehicles begin to be held up at the ports, extra drivers will be needed to carry out journeys that those held up drivers will not be able to do. That will undoubtedly lead to an even greater shortage of drivers and the vicious circle continues to pick up pace.

Links start here:-
www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/food-shortages-supermarkets-customers-see-1836364

www.food-management.com/production/truck-driver-shortage-impacting-food-deliveries

I would DEFINITELY stockplile the public information videos Elegran foresees- be still my beating heart!❤️

and don't golf courses usually have a lake? Plenty of water to use on the veg during a drought.

Possibly mark out narrow routes from each tee to the relevant hole, with al the rst of the golf courses given over to allottments? The only golfers allowed to play would have to be those who had earned certificates to prove that their aim is good enough to keep the ball within that narrow corridor, and not let it stray into the spuds and carrots on either side.

Even restricting play to certificate bearers, the allottment holders might have to wear crash helmets. As they would be cycling to and from their patch (no petrol!) they could keep on their cycling helmets.

How healthy they would be! Cycling, gardening, eating home-grown veg, dodging golf balls, chasing incompetent golfers with hoes and rakes . . .

Good idea Terribull - turn it into allotments!

I always thought vodka was made from potatoes. (Pure milk??) We can do that, surely?

Indeed Jalima, I put it to my husband that maybe golf courses, such as his, should be put to better use growing cabbages, carrots and the like in preparation for D Day, we all need to make small sacrifices!