so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Grandad1943
I am descending into 'hysterical negativity' reading your posts.
How many times are you going to post about asking questions that Brexiteers either have not or cannot answer.
When there must now be an encyclopaedia of posts responding to your questions with concise, researched and relevant answers.

Now who is burying his head in the sand with fingers in his ears?

Have an AC in armed forces, do not want them to be under an European fighting force.

Our business relies on imports from Germany, Japan and other countries in and outside of the EU. None of our suppliers are panicking nor our customers.

H o C and Brussels may be at loggerheads, but every day business continues. I cannot subscribe to the negativity and doom and gloom coming from either side of the argument.
European businesses rely on selling to U.K., do you really think Junker et al, will risk uproar from member states not being able to trade with UK, they need us more than we need them.

I shall wait to be told off by some, but I for one will remain positive. If and when any of the doom laden scenarios happen I will regroup, and move on as best I / we can.

MawBroon, let's face it, once again you and other Brexitiers demonstrate that do not have the answers to the questions I placed in my above post.

You state that you are not privy to the negotiations. However, surely the answers to such basic and fundamental questions should have been with all who support Brexit before the referendum was even carried out.

Again let's face it, Brexit supporters do not have a clue how those problems are to be resolved, therefore they try to hide that behind personal attack, ridiculous posts or as in your case MawBroon a barrage of meaningless words.

Anyway once again back to work and coffee cups away. Wonderful stuff this voice recognition dictation for duel tasking, a post in a minute

'Chicken Licken' I think MawBroon

Predictive texting!
I don't know where the "overnighr" came from! It should have been just "modern life in general"

GillT57
My son in law runs a Audi dealership, my Daughter has a recruitment company mainly dealing in the motor trade. There aren't enough hours in the day right now with the demand, mainly from Jaguar Land Rover. One other daughter works for Jagua Land Rover.
None of them show any signs of slowing up on their expensive life styles.

One
You assume too much.
I am not what you refer to as a Brexitier (although most people call them Brexiteers)
Two
The phrase "permanent outrage" was Arianna Huffington's aboutovernight life in general.
What I said was "hysterical negatvity"
The clue is in the words of my post.
So less of the accusatory "arrogance and personal atttacks"
Three
If I do not answer your questions about Brexit that could be because I am neither privy to the negotiations or the mindset of either front bench.

MawBroon, myself and the others are not in " permanent outrage" as you so ridiculously describe. We are on this forum and in other places asking questions of Brexitiers which they refuse to answer or more likely have no answers to.

We ask on the Irish border question, no realistic answer.

We ask what you Brexetiers say to the many thousands in the UK who fear for their jobs in Brexit, we receive no answer.

We ask we ask in regard the transport problems at the ports without a customs agreement, we receive no answer.

So, MawBroon, instead of making your usual ridiculous, arrogant and personal attacks on forum members, why for once do you and others supporting Brexit engage in trying to post realistically and with some intelligence on the above questions.

jura hysteria in any form
is unnecessary, destructive and contrary to what some people seem to think, no pointer to research insight, or even intelligence.
Stirring up emotions especially with half baked thread topics remindo me of was it Little Red Hen (?) who ran round in ever decreasing circles squawking that the sky was going to fall on their heads.
You may squawk away but might be better advised to think through your plans for whichever eventuality.

We had a stockpiling thread elsewhere a while back, it was not about Brexit.

By 29 March I will have three kids under four, one probably still exclusively on milk.

I keep an overstocked kitchen because I can’t rely on being able to get to shops every day (littles can get sick, husband can take car, etc etc) and I have small tummies to keep full. Lentil curry and rice might not be the most exciting meal in the world, but I know at any time I can knock it and a decent number of other dishes out without needing anything fresh or leaving the house. We got flu in spring here. Two sick toddlers, one sick and pregnant mummy. No one willing to help or even bring groceries by. If it wasn’t for the cupboard, I don’t know what I would have done.

For the same reasons, I keep (securely) a good stock of common OTC medicines. I can’t be running around the town everytime someone spikes a temperature in the night and I need some Calpol to hand.

I have to formula feed for health reasons. No choice there I’m afraid. If there’s any realistic risk to supply chain disruption, I can’t be left without anything to feed my baby. Likewise, whilst it’s unlikely to have surprise water outages, I keep fresh potable water stocks on hand, because I would be royally behind the eight ball if I couldn’t make up a bottle.

I’m not making a political point on this thread. I keep stocks for practical reasons. The government is reportedly going to advise all of us to do so “just in case”. Thats not the sort of warning I ignore.

We are supposed to be negotiating with the EU. Negotiation needs the co-operation of all involved. The EU doesn't want to negotiate it wants to say no to anything and everything the UK puts forward.

It's dictatorial which is why I voted to leave and if there were another referendum, which there wont be, Mr. S. would change his remain vote to leave because he is appalled at the total lack of negotiation being undertaken by the EU.

How strange Smileless. . I had almost the exact same conversation yesterday with my Remain neighbours who now say they abhor the way in which the EU is being so petty and dictatorial. They have no love for the rich business people or the Lords who are trying to overturn the democratic process and scattering boulders on the path to our exit.They agreed that there is and will be a future without Brusells calling the shots. They said their complete U turn was something they'd never have imagined at the time of the referendum.

And yes, Facebook is alive with the permanently outraged keyboard warriors. I am just thankful that over the garden fence everyone (in my neck of the woods at least) is civil and open to change.

Actually Maw, as someone who could be accused of it, I am full of hysterical rage. I just cannot believe what is going on with the car crash that is Brexit and the ghastly Trump. Yes, there is little I can do to change the situation, but I had thought that perhaps sharing my anger/disgust/fear/panic whatever with others who felt the same, or discussing it sensibly with others who have the opposite opinion, I could get a better understanding of why this is all happening. On Monday, I made the mistake of replying to a FB post about Trump's visit to the UK. I pointed out that he was generally sneered at in UK.....the vitriol was unbelievable, it was suggested that I kill myself . There are some awful people out there, and they have the vote!

Yes Maw count me in on this, and baggs was saying much the same thing the other day.
It’s social media isn’t it, stirring people up so that they live their lives in permanent outrage.

The fears you refer to of ex pats jura for example not knowing if they can remain in the country they are currently living in, should be addressed by the EU.

From what you're posting, this is a failure on the part of the EU and not the UK. Whilst ex pats have been living in EU countries, paying into the local economy etc they've been welcome. If this does change it's a prime example of the EU's spite at the result of our referendum to leave and desire to punish us all.

We are supposed to be negotiating with the EU. Negotiation needs the co-operation of all involved. The EU doesn't want to negotiate it wants to say no to anything and everything the UK puts forward.

It's dictatorial which is why I voted to leave and if there were another referendum, which there wont be, Mr. S. would change his remain vote to leave because he is appalled at the total lack of negotiation being undertaken by the EU.

A no deal exit will be just as, if not more damaging to the EU, as it will be for the UK.

Hysterical optimism in the face of such a mess and probable disaster- is surely a lot more damaging- and also probably a lot more apparent here recently.

There is still time to stop this madness- the UK's image will probably be tarnished forever, and business confidence and investments from abroad too- but there is still time to avert the worse.

Time only will tell. I wish us all luck - we will need it.
No flouncing- but time to leave you to it for a while- I just can't be asked anymore (yes, this is how I spell it- before some clever clogg comes to point out that my English is so poor in usage).

I find some of the posts on here frightening; all this bloody wartime spirit, ration coupons ( yes, I know it was a joke), stockpiling food etc. This is not funny, this is real, and just what will it take to make some people realise that there could well be hard times ahead, even if temporarily? Do none of you have families working in transport? Oh, and the nasty comments being thrown at Jura2 do not help the Brexit case, it stinks. Why is it I wonder that anything being said by those on the Remain side is dismissed as Project Fear, even if it is from people with direct experience of the area being discussed, whereas the vitriol being thrown about by the Brexit camp, the wild statements about the EU are taken as being fair and balanced? Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what is being said.

I wonder if anybody was listening to WH this morning when Arianna Huffington and others talked about how many people today are living in a condition of permanent outrage. She gave instances of Trump outrage in the US and how instead of fuming and fretting then venting on social media we/they should channel it ino a more productive or positive direction.
A fellow guest talked about "hysterical negativity" and that is just what I am reading here from some posters including you Jura, grandad, maizieD and no doubt there are others.
I wonder if anyone else feels the same way

Alexa am somewhat puzzled......are you a foolish virgin, because I certainly am not.

the only reason I ever mentionned the huge effect of the exchange rate- is to illustrate how people have been, are and will surely be, hugely affected by this.

Way below the belt again Petra- nasty indeed.

I have never told anyone about our financial situation- only that our income has been reduced by 50% and at times, up to 60% - due to exchange rate alone, due to Brexit uncertainty.

50% or 60% of what- you will never know.

Thank you Maizie- yes, UK expats in the EU are just terrified- they live in limbo, not knowing what their fate will be. If they will be allowed to remain, if they will have access to health care- and indeed if they will be able to afford to remain there, with income affected to such a huge extent- and probaly further as the end date gets nearer.

I do think there is a lot of Schadenfreude going around indeed, of the kind 'ah well, they chose to go and live in France, Spain and Tuscany, etc - living the life - and thinking they were better than us, and ahahaha so there' - which is pathetic indeed.

And as a reminder, we did not choose Switzerland because it is posh and rich we have NO Swiss income- but because thise is where I happen to have been born and bred, and where my very elderly parents desperately needed us. We never moved here to run away from the UK- and we always intended to go back- because it is our home, more than anywhere else.

Below the belt and Schadenfreude for sure.

Jalima, British butter is EU butter.

"and the doom laden voices continue."

says foolish virgin.

jura2
I think i, and many others on GN know exactly the same facts that kitty posted as you keep telling us over and over again. At least she didn't mention your financial situation which you yourself never fail to keep us informed of.

I hope we can find these threads come April 2019

If the internet hasnt stopped working and aren't laying starving in a grey island cast adrift from the European continent.

Interesting to hear that some European countries have finally woken to the potential of distruption and shortages on tbeir home grounds.
Now the discussions should get going for real.

It's not glee on my part; it's sheer terror.

It does strike me, when recalling all the emotive anti-EU posts that have been posted on this forum, that it's a bit hypocritical to criticise people who are looking at the factual legal implications of 'No Deal' when a lot of the anti-EU hysteria is founded on myths, lies and exaggeration.