so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

lemongrove oh yes. And tea.

kitty, this is below the belt, truly. There is no glee on my part - not one tiny bit. Au contraire. We always intended to come back to UK as we get too old to travel- to be near to our family. I just can't imagine that at the moment.

And it is much more likely that they will come and join us here - as they are part of the small proportion of Brits who do have dual nationality and the skills required to do so.

What may at times sound like glee, is in fact huge sadness, disappointment at what is happening to the amazing country (ies) that is the UK. For some reason, you and others just can't see that. Your prerogative of course.

And no, it is getting clearer by the day that the tiny majority was won on lies and fraudulenty - and therefore not at all 'the will of the people'.

In such circumstances, it is essential and the only democratic thing to do- to give the people a vote on the final deal- and anything can happen between now and next March. Your personal attacks are very uncomfortable, as you happen to be perhaps the only person on GN who has a lot of personal information about me. But ... there you go.

To say that the UK is currently in an extremely difficult situtation, with dire consequences predicted - is not glee, but the clear and obvious reality. Sarcasm does at times come through our of sheer frustration re those who just refuse to accept that and keep shouting 'oh jolly hockey stick'

Lemongrove, yes the doom-laden voices do continue because the Brexitiers have no sensible answers to the statements we make and questions we ask of them.

All we get is fingers in ears, head in the sand and lets all jump off the cliff together. Thankfully by us posing those questions and pointing out the problems of Brexit, it would seem that a growing number of the British population are now unwilling to jump of that cliff with you.

Anyway i had better get on with the work as we seem to be up to our eyeballs in it.

Will there be cake muffin ?

........and the doom laden voices continue.

To answer the question: probably late September for dried/canned goods.

I’ve been running mine down in preparation to move, I’ve even been running down my water stocks

I have a massive new cupboard under the stairs in New House, I have earmarked it for the stockpile.

All Gnetters in my new area will be welcome to a few tins if needed in March

M0nica, Quote [Grandad, yes it was Immingham, but Immingham is a pimple on an elephants back side compared with the number of containers going through Lowestoft.

As usual what will happen is if there is a problem in one place trucks and goods re-route. There are plenty of alternatives.] End Quote.

M0nica, should Britain leave the EU with no customs agreement then all ports whether they are rail, sea or air will be drastically affected by having to stop and inspect every vehicle going to or from European Union Countries. Therefore there will be no alternative ports to divert to as the situation will be exactly the same at each and every one of them.

Virtually every major UK Distribution company and the major Supermarkets are warning of the "chaos" that will undoubtedly ensue should there be a Brexit without a customs agreement.

I believe that the government are to give advise to the transport industry in September in regard to a "no agreement Brexit". However, that demonstrates just how out of touch these Tories are, as it takes at least six months to order and receive a heavy articulated unit and trailer from the manufacturers and trailer bodybuilders. In that, very many extra heavy vehicles will be needed to compensate for the loss of JIT services across all industries.

Along with the above no company will be ordering any such vehicles if they have any cause to believe that a customs agreement could be struck with the EU between September and March when Britain actually leaves the European Union.

Think on it?

but if they don’t accept the Chequers proposal ( which is quite reasonable)

The Chequers proposal, which the EU would never have accepted anyway, has just been made unworkable by the amendments passed earlier this week. And May is just about to make the situation worse by a foolishly aggressive speech in NI today. It will only make the prospect of 'No Deal' even more likely and equally likely the prospect of a renewal of 'the troubles' in NI. There has to be a hard border in NI between the EU and the UK after Brexit if no alternatives are acceptable to all parties. May's posturing will do nothing to diminish this fact.

I wonder how many of you have read the EU Notices to Stakeholders which they have been preparing over the past few months to inform businesses and other interested parties of the legal implications of the UK leaving the EU.

if we leave the EU without a deal and a transition period every single UK qualification, certificate of competence, approvals of parts in goods we export to the EU, financial passporting etc. (and there are hundreds, if not thousands of them) will no longer be accepted by EU 27 countries and trade grinds to a halt.

Trucks will not be able to reroute if their drivers and haulage operators are from the UK, they won't be able to enter the EU because the drivers' qualifications and the operators certificates of competence will no longer be valid in the EU27.

I suggest you try digesting some of these:

ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness/preparedness-notices_en

For some months now I have been not buying red meat or pig products, or milk. This is partly because I feel sorry for animals , partly for hygiene reasons , and partly because animal protein is environmentally unsustainable.I feel that the less animal product I eat and stay healthy the better.

I remember food standards during the war, and at that time it was drummed into all of us that we must be frugal. So I am perhaps more attuned to the coming crisis than most other grans.

As for stockpiling that too is bad. However the sort of canny saving for a rainy day that poor people like me are capable of, and the amassing of cellars full of food that rich people supposedly could do are very different degrees of stockpiling.

*Lemongrove@ absolutely agree with you.

I am 75. In my adult lifetime the number of times we have had 'Private Fraser events' is beyond counting. Have any of them ever come near being as bad as prophesied? No.

Sure there have been a few glitches: 3 day weeks, fuel rationing, power cuts, but never for very long and they have caused very little disruption except to a small minority of people.

Grandad, yes it was Immingham, but Immingham is a pimple on an elephants back side compared with the number of containers going through Lowestoft.

As usual what will happen is if there is a problem in one place trucks and goods re-route. There are plenty of alternatives. At least once a year there are major disruptions at Dover, with lorries stacked all the way up the motorway. Inconvenient for locals and anyone travelling through Dover but does the country come to a standstill and do supermarkets countrywide have acres of empty shelves, of course they don't.

It won't be any different this time, assuming that there is any disruption, which I doubt.

no need for that Petra ( wish I had a swimming pool)

Lemon
we will still trade with the eu
Phew, thank gawd for that!! I had visions of having to dig up the swimming pool

Chewbacca
MawBroon summed up jura2's attitude succinctly a while back: Schadenfreude.

Right, to be (a bit) serious about all this hoo-ha, we may still do a deal with the EU, but if they don’t accept the Chequers proposal ( which is quite reasonable) then we may have to leave and pay WTO tariffs like many other countries do.
The EU won’t get the billions they want out of us that way, but if they are completely unreasonable, that’s what will happen.We will still trade with the EU, and still trade with the rest of the world.
And if there were to be a few shortages in distribution, then am sure we won’t all keel over and die.
Now, I think I may still have a few of Mother’s ration books and coupons somewhere.....

It's the barely concealed glee that I find the most difficult to understand Maw. As kittylester points out; jura still has family here. The gleefully doom laden portents must get on their wick as much as they do on ours.

If it doesnt bear thinking about Jura, why not give it a rest.
Your doom laden prognostications are not going to make one iota of difference.

Being doomy about it doesn't make any sense jura! The vote was to leave and leave we will.

Brits are capable of coping with whatever is thrown at us and I am at a loss to know why you persist in being so negative about the future for a country that was your home for so long, where you still keep a home and where, I believe, at least some of your family live. You and your dh worked here, brought your children up here but you seem to see us as the opposition.

Does not matter if it is Dunkirk, or Calais, or Dieppe ... or any port. As Customs check will have to be on UK side, the disruption and delays will probably make life very difficult.

And if the French dockers, ferries, farmers, etc - decide to make it 1000 x more so- because they get fed up with the implications of Brexit for them- then ... just does not bear thinking about.

I only buy locally sourced meat ,if it doesn't have a Saltire on it then its not coming home with me .We're lucky as local butchers use local farms for their meat.Eggs and milk come from a farm I see from my window .I do buy rapeseed oil as its in abundance in our fields ...my hayfever confirms that .Scotch tomatoes and soft fruits are the best in the worl ask any top chef .We wont be buying American chlorine washed chicken or flabby corn fed beef ..why would we ?

Much of the steak that we eat in restaurants is from Argentina

It is perfectly fine, grass-fed I understand, but not from the EU or UK

The U.K. does not produce sufficient milk to make all the butter, cheese and yoghurts and so imports it from the EU on a daily basis.
Olive oil will last a good while but needs to be stored in a dark cupboard.

Alexa
Are you, and anyone else aware that the eu is in trade talks with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay to increase the tonnage of meat we import from them to 900,000 a year.
From Farming uk. No wonder a lot of farmers voted to leave.

Supermarket British butter is generally cheaper.

West Country butter with sea salt is cheaper than Normandy butter with sea salt.
Perhaps the salt is more expensive in France.

Thank you MawBroon, must rush out and buy a copy.

Incidentally, does anyone know if we will still be able to use our petrol coupons, unused and still languishing in the drawer since 1973?

I dispute that home produced food is necessarily dearer and recoil at the thought of tinned butter or tinned cheese whatever that may be!
Anyway, here is the Ladybird guide to stockpiling so all will be made clear.