so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

#all the supermarkets are stating that there is no problem with their supply chains when as people are reporting there very clearly is.# from Grandad1943.

Brexit hasn't happened yet so why would it be causing a problem in the supply chains?

I think the problem is It's Summer - supermarket staff take holidays and the supermarkets have hoped to just get by without covering their hours.

I'd bet that the stock is in the shops' warehouses, waiting for someone to put it on shelves.

Jalima1108 Quote [I suppose - but, having seen a foreign HGV driver trying to get down our extremely narrow lane and causing chaos, perhaps not a bad thing.] End Quote.

Jalima1108, in regards to the "Certificate of Professional Competency" (CPC) that has to be taken every four years for LGV drivers to retain their licence, the initiative for that legislation came from the British Government to the EU Council of Transport Ministers.

The training involves no "on the road" driver retraining whatsoever, as it is entirely classroom-based in regards to maintaining personal health, changes to legislation surrounding heavy vehicles, technical developments in vehicle design and maintenance, the Drivers Hours Regulations and much more.

As I stated earlier in this thread the above has caused many very experienced LGV drivers to leave the transport industry since 2009 which began the current driver shortage and which has grown year on year since that date.

The thought of spending a week in a classroom with all the accompanying paperwork is truly terrifying to older drivers many of who never did well in their basic education many years previous. Hence the reason those people choose to become truck drivers as their profession.

A case of an attempt to make a situation better, making things far worse.

he was just following 'satnav, satnav' apparently!

* jalima & Grandad1943*
2009. That's when my dear friend sold his haulage company. He'd had enough and that was the last straw.

^ having seen a foreign HGV driver trying to get down our extremely narrow lane and causing chaos,^

We don't get many foreign HGV drivers round here but the British ones are just as good in the chaos stakes...

I might keep hens and gt a goat, too, but I think they'd be vulnerable to looters...

I shall expect rental of my field to be made in produce! So that's the veg sorted..

I'm not digging, lemon. The Brexiters can do that bit.

At least you'd have an income, Maizie, though you may not have much to spend it on.
The bartering system could be useful, though - some of Maizie's turnips in exchange for half a dozen eggs etc.

Grandad, pros and cons of EU regulations I suppose - but, having seen a foreign HGV driver trying to get down our extremely narrow lane and causing chaos, perhaps not a bad thing.

It's funny you should mention that lemongrove, because I saw a picture of the wonderfully, urbane David Beckham posing alongside something that looked akin to an unexploded mine, which was in fact a barb b cue, I believe it's called something like "The Big Green Egg" if you wanted to you could Google it. As to whether it doubles up as a bomb, that could depend entirely on what you put on it, which in David's case could well be a few of Victoria's frocks so they don't end up in the hands of hoi polloi God forbid.

Turning to tables, I think the advice at the time was strong and sturdy, which is very reminiscent of strong and stable, so you can't go wrong there can you whether that would include one manufactured by say Ikea one can only make a guess, perhaps we should have an updated guideline on suitable furniture to climb under in the eventuality of being nuked. Then again maybe as Ikea is Swedish their furniture won't be available to us after next year, unless of course we stockpile it, but personally I don't have the room. Maybe you could get hold of a table salvaged from the 1940 so it's lived through similar turbulent times as those we are expected to go through . Do remember however to make sure your turn your back to wherever the bomb happens to be dropped, as that I believe is pretty crucial. Good luck!

At least you'd have an income, Maizie, though you may not have much to spend it on.

That’s the spirit MaizieD get cracking in digging that field up and planting turnips.

So we will just have to get those trade agreements made with countries who do have extra capacity and want to sell it to us, Maizie

Which by all accounts can take a number of years! I look forward to renting out allotments

.you don’t recognise humour when you see it

I don't think that Elegran intends it to be 'humour'. I can tell the difference between extolling the advantages of local and small scale intensive food production (serious) and instructions for distilling gin and vodka (humour)

Still, I have a rather large field that was allotments in WW2. I see a potential source of income...

So we will just have to get those trade agreements made with countries who do have extra capacity and want to sell it to us, Maizie. We will have to do it from a position of need, instead of our EU position of mutual advantage, but needs must when the devil drives.

Our esteemed government didn't think ahead far enough to see this coming, or to keep us advised of the possible consequences of voting to "take control" of our destiny (did they even work it all out themselves, privately? Or just assume that it would never happen?) They will pay dearly for that politically in the long run, when every ill that befalls anyone will in future be blamed on Brexit instead of on the EU and on them for it happening on their watch, but meanwhile, it is actually happening. This is not a rehearsal..

Meanwhile, running about like headless blue-arsed chickens isn't taking control of anything. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The day after the vote, I started a thread asking what was to do next - I got a lot of flak, (as though I was pleased about the result - which I wasn't) but not a lot of sensible thought about what needed to done and legislated for in practical terms, to keep the country running after such a monumental change. I frequently wonder whether anyone in the whole country is actually making any viable plans.

Irish lawyer and politician John Philpot Curran is supposed to have said in 1790 "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" What he actually said was "“The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” but whatever the exact words, it is true that you can't "take control" without forethought and planning and sometimes some unpopular decisions

Just to add to the misery, due to a wet winter and overly warm summer, The Sunday Times reports that cheese and onion crisps may be in short supply. Could it get any worse

Yes Jalima tinned Snook was a fish, not enjoyed but us during the war, sent from South Africa I believe. Not that I remember it because I was happily born in the 1950s when rationing had finished and bananas were available again.Thank God I eat so many I'm sure I was a monkey in a previous life

Terribull where may one aquire one of those small bomb and nuke proof tables?

MaizieD the trouble is.....you don’t recognise humour when you see it.
In fact, there is a definite humour shortage on many GN threads, should we start stockpiling?

Jalima1108, that legislation you quote above has caused many very experienced LGV drivers to leave the industry since 2009. The legislation dictates that all LGV licence holders have to undertake 40 hours of retraining every four years to retain their licences

As stated many very experienced drivers were not prepared to go back into a classroom for a week to retain that licence.

For many older people who never did well at school many years ago, the thought of returning to that environment is truly a terrifying prospect.

There may be an increase in individual enterprise - growers selling more at the gate or taking smaller quantities themselves to small shops, vacant ground in cities being developed as market gardens, new estates having allotments included as a matter of course, new crops being grown here which were previously imported, new growing methods which utilise ground previously thought unproductive.

So back to a WW2 scenario! In a country which doesn't have the physical capacity to produce food for the entire population.

I'm sorry but [facepalm]

During the years of wartime supply shortages and rationing, it was thought antisocial and unpatriotic to waste food (or anything else). That has been out of fashion for a long time, but one of the possible changes is that it may return. Those of us who have never changed our attitude will be in the right mode at last.

We do need legislation though, for safety reasons; the new directives came from the EU itself.

As of the 10th September 2009, all newly qualified HGV drivers who wish to drive professionally will require a Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (Driver CPC) as per EU Directive 2003/59.
www.drivershortage.co.uk/training/driver-cpc.html

If it becomes more difficult and expensive for the supermarkets to get supplies onto the shelves from far away, the cost of buying from small shops could become more competitive.

If it is going to take 50 years, as has been predicted, to get back to "civilisation as we know it", then all kinds of changes may take place in how everyone lives.

There may be an increase in individual enterprise - growers selling more at the gate or taking smaller quantities themselves to small shops, vacant ground in cities being developed as market gardens, new estates having allotments included as a matter of course, new crops being grown here which were previously imported, new growing methods which utilise ground previously thought unproductive.

The TV chefs may stop demonstrating international recipes which involve ingredients brought in from all over the globe and start showing how to cook with native ingredients, (or just how to cook, full stop) It may become more common to only have set meals and not to graze all day on snacks.

petra, all the supermarkets are stating that there is no problem with their supply chains when as people are reporting there very clearly is. In my view, the supermarkets are saying that to forestall any panic buying taking place as we all know how that can rapidly feed on itself.

In regards to the LGV driver shortage, it is not the rate of pay that is the major problem these days, it is the legislation surrounding the job and the 100% monitoring of everything they do that is causing so many to leave the profession at the present time.

I think the average age of an LGV driver is now fifty-five and steadily going up. Many younger persons who join the industry to train as drivers leave the profession within two years due to the above.

tinned Snook
are these leftovers from WW2?

Interesting indeed, Jalima, but my point is that we don't have enough domestic capacity to produce enough food to feed our population. We couldn't do it during WW2 (when the population was smaller) without rationing and that was with every inch of formerly 'non productive' land turned over to food production wherever possible.