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Are our MP’s standards of decency falling?

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lemongrove Fri 20-Jul-18 12:56:18

mcem do you ever accept that it’s actually none of your business?
It does matter what a poster says in the OP and I prefer to know if I am answering a genuinely concerned member of that Party, or an Opposition voter ‘having a go’, because if the former it makes the question an honest one.
To reiterate, some MPs of allpolitical parties act badly at
times and I really don’t think either Party acts better or worse than they used to.
Apparently, some MP’s have ignored the pairing rule before this, it isn’t setting a precedent.

Anniebach Fri 20-Jul-18 12:47:39

Here we go again, a poster who recently left this forum always brought up the false allegation that I hate Corbyn ,I do not hate, I dislike, I distrust, this is not hate

Joelsnan Fri 20-Jul-18 12:36:18

It is the erosion of societal standards that is being mirrored in parliament.

Oldwoman70 Fri 20-Jul-18 12:26:41

To answer the OP's question, yes I do think standards are falling.

In the past people seemed to enter politics with the intention of at least trying to do the best for their constituents. Now it seems politicians are merely looking out for themselves and working for their own personal advancement and consider their constituents to be a nuisance to be tolerated.

I am not pointing the finger at any one party as I feel this applies to all parties, I accept there are some MPs who still try to work for their constituents but in my opinion they are few and far between.

PECS Fri 20-Jul-18 12:17:15

Annie your dislike of JC is tangible. He has not,however much you hate him, broken Parliamentary codes of conduct or brought the house into disrepute.
Debate the policy not the person.

Anniebach Fri 20-Jul-18 11:56:50

Questioning the party one is a member of is the very opposite of blind support

MaizieD Fri 20-Jul-18 11:45:49

Good post, PECS

MaizieD Fri 20-Jul-18 11:44:10

The problem, as I see it, Realgranddad is that Parliament operates on a system of 'honour' and conduct which has evolved over the past 200 years but is based on conduct appropriate to a 'gentleman'.

Under the veneer of politeness and good manners parliament in that time has been every bit as rumbustious as it can be now but underlying it all was a sense of honourable conduct which appears to be entirely lacking in our current parliament.

Remember the days of innocence when, for example, David Blunket resigned as Education Secretary because the SATs results weren't as good as he had promised they would be and he took responsibility for his department's failure to improve them?

Long gone...

PECS Fri 20-Jul-18 11:43:00

Does it make any difference to the question what political persuasion the OP is? The facts remain that bad practice/ behaviour has happened and if it is within our own party or not it needs to be challenged. Blind support is not helpful to high standards and strong democracy. The pairing debacle happened before. Perhaps the chief whip had been to see the play This House about a similar situation mid 70s.

Anniebach Fri 20-Jul-18 11:36:00

Unfair to judge the morals of one party unless one Is a member of the party, I criticise Corbyn more than May because I am a labour member and this is where my vote would go, well not whilst he is leader

mcem Fri 20-Jul-18 11:28:37

lemongrove do you ever accept that, just sometimes, what is going on in Parliament and
specifically in the Conservative party, is simply wrong and immoral?
Nb - not inviting comparisons, just a yes or a no.

lemongrove Fri 20-Jul-18 11:10:08

Are you a Conservative voter who is concerned, or a Labour voter I wonder?
All political parties have MP’s in them that sometimes fall short of good moral behaviour IMHO and this is certainly nothing new!
All it really means is that it’s harder to get away with poor
Behaviour now, because everything is in the spotlight.
On the pairing issue, it should probably be looked at and debated as to whether this has to be left a ‘moral’ issue or a legal one by the MP’s themselves.

Realgranddad Fri 20-Jul-18 11:02:16

In recent months we have seen and heard of many instances where Parliamentarians standards of behaviour have been under the spotlight, including sexual abuse, bullying, deceitful practices, sheer rudeness and arrogant behaviour. It therefore seems appropriate to ask if our MPs standards of decency falling ? Some believe our electoral system is no longer fit for purpose creating far too many safe seats and in several Constituencies secure jobs for life. What ever is the cause do we have an answer to why politics have hit such a low standards in so many of the electorate views, is tribal politics now out of control? This weeks standards have again brought the questions into the public debate. For instance what has got into the Tory Party that It finds itself accused even by its own members of gutter politics and sheer dubious malpractices this week, over the Pairing scandal. Julian Smith MP the Party Chief Whip has brought his party and the PM this disrepute this week over is deceitful behaviour on pairing. That and his insistence that MP’s who are disabled and in wheelchair along with sick MP must go
through the voting lobbies rather than the norm of being allowed a proxy vote with being in attendance in the Commons, it is totally unnecessary, nor is it a decent practice for any modern thinking party to adopt
There are now likely to be several immediate consequences that may now make the work of good government practicable: the first is that it is a self-inflicted wound for the government that could make it harder for itto get its business done. For while MPs of every party can fall ill, it’s only the governing party that has ministers whose work can take them away from the House of Commons. If the opposition parties don’t think that their pairs will be honoured then they will have no reason to extend the benefit. The second consequence is that it has significant repercussions for the personal lives of MPs, who will find it still harder to juggle work and life. Some will put major life decisions on hold to avoid inconveniencing their side, if they worry that they won’t be paired.
The thirdwill be the consequences that ought to happen, but won’t: that for the second time in three weeks, ministers will have misled parliament with no consequence. And those repercussions are the most troubling of all.
It is difficult to understand what is what is happening to a once great party that today seems to be losing it moral standings.