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Are our MP’s standards of decency falling?

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Realgranddad Fri 20-Jul-18 11:02:16

In recent months we have seen and heard of many instances where Parliamentarians standards of behaviour have been under the spotlight, including sexual abuse, bullying, deceitful practices, sheer rudeness and arrogant behaviour. It therefore seems appropriate to ask if our MPs standards of decency falling ? Some believe our electoral system is no longer fit for purpose creating far too many safe seats and in several Constituencies secure jobs for life. What ever is the cause do we have an answer to why politics have hit such a low standards in so many of the electorate views, is tribal politics now out of control? This weeks standards have again brought the questions into the public debate. For instance what has got into the Tory Party that It finds itself accused even by its own members of gutter politics and sheer dubious malpractices this week, over the Pairing scandal. Julian Smith MP the Party Chief Whip has brought his party and the PM this disrepute this week over is deceitful behaviour on pairing. That and his insistence that MP’s who are disabled and in wheelchair along with sick MP must go
through the voting lobbies rather than the norm of being allowed a proxy vote with being in attendance in the Commons, it is totally unnecessary, nor is it a decent practice for any modern thinking party to adopt
There are now likely to be several immediate consequences that may now make the work of good government practicable: the first is that it is a self-inflicted wound for the government that could make it harder for itto get its business done. For while MPs of every party can fall ill, it’s only the governing party that has ministers whose work can take them away from the House of Commons. If the opposition parties don’t think that their pairs will be honoured then they will have no reason to extend the benefit. The second consequence is that it has significant repercussions for the personal lives of MPs, who will find it still harder to juggle work and life. Some will put major life decisions on hold to avoid inconveniencing their side, if they worry that they won’t be paired.
The thirdwill be the consequences that ought to happen, but won’t: that for the second time in three weeks, ministers will have misled parliament with no consequence. And those repercussions are the most troubling of all.
It is difficult to understand what is what is happening to a once great party that today seems to be losing it moral standings.

MaizieD Thu 26-Jul-18 18:44:59

No, it's not. Mine's a tory...

MaizieD Thu 26-Jul-18 18:43:12

Is it the same one, Ab?

Anniebach Thu 26-Jul-18 10:17:20

A female Labour MP charged with lying to police on two occasions re driving offences. Silly woman .

MaizieD Thu 26-Jul-18 09:32:39

Utterly apalled this morning to find a sitting tory MP on twitter promoting a crowdfunding appeal for the young man who has been found to have broken the Electoral law.
This is the law under which she was elected to parliament; is she ignorant of the link between being a legislator and uoholding the law of the land?

I won't publish a link for obvious reasons....

PECS Mon 23-Jul-18 16:36:43

kim19 of current MPs Ì would include Dennis Skinner, Ed Davey, Diana Johnson, Peter Bottomly. I would also have listed Alan Johnson, Jo Cox, Simon Hughes if including recent but no longer serving MPs. There will be others....

Diana54 Mon 23-Jul-18 12:05:40

"In recent months we have seen and heard of many instances where Parliamentarians standards of behaviour have been under the spotlight, including sexual abuse, bullying, deceitful practices, sheer rudeness and arrogant behaviour".

That paragraph says it all, that really is normal behavior for the party whips, they don't actually use sex abuse directly but any dirt they have ( and they have a lot ) they use to persuade MPs to tow the party line. You may not realise but that extends right down to local councils, step out of line and you are out, that's what party Local Agents do. ( a friend of mine was kicked out for disobeying the party line )
Bullying in this way is what makes political parties strong, many MPs start as local councillors, wanting to serve the community, all quickly learn its serving the party machine that counts.

Can we change that, NO, we can replace those that get caught, the illusion that all those that we give power to are going to be honest and decent does not exist. That is true of all political elites wether democratic, socialist or communist. The only saving grace is that in the UK political misbehavior is much less prevalent than most other countries

lemongrove Sat 21-Jul-18 22:00:22

Listening to Radio 4 this morning, it was stated that the Lib Dems ( which surprised me) had broken the pairing rule a lot, the Conservatives a few times, but Labour at least 50 times!
This is obviously a problem, and the ‘gentlemens agreement’ aspect only really works when the voting isn’t all that important.

MaizieD Sat 21-Jul-18 19:28:49

No amount of increased public knowledge seems to stop Ministers breaching the Ministerial Code or MPs breaking the 'gentleman's agreements' of Parliamentary conduct without any comeback.

mcem Sat 21-Jul-18 18:07:42

Excellent comment craftycat!

Pjkoctur Sat 21-Jul-18 17:59:06

Whew! And here I thought we Americans had the monopoly on bad behavior in politics. grin

Kim19 Sat 21-Jul-18 16:29:14

I'm wondering if there's any merit in limiting the number of times a person can sit as a constituency MP.

Patticake123 Sat 21-Jul-18 14:25:07

I suspect that the behaviour of members of Parliament is the same as always it’s just communication is better these days.

tigger Sat 21-Jul-18 13:08:08

Have standards fallen, or are we just more enlightened to what actually occurs?

grandtanteJE65 Sat 21-Jul-18 13:00:58

I doubt they can fall any farther!

Yes, standards of decency and morality have quite definitely fallen everywhere and not only amongst politicians.

Or do we just think so, because (dare I say it?) we are getting old?

ExaltedWombat Sat 21-Jul-18 12:31:18

Politicians may be no worse than anyone else. But they get found out more, because their opposition have an interest in digging dirt about them.

We have double standards, even among politicians. Some have their careers destroyed by causing even slight 'offence'. Others seem fireproof. Yes, I'm talking about you, Boris and Donald!

Craftycat Sat 21-Jul-18 11:54:23

I think things are better now than ever before for the simple reason that with social media & modern communication it is far more difficult to sweep things under the carpet. Thinking back to my history lessons with rotten Boroughs & the upper classes going into politics for the opportunity to feather their own nests etc. I think we probably have a heck of a lot more people in politics for the right reasons. Unfortunately we don't hear so much about them as they get on & do & don't make the headlines.

Hm999 Sat 21-Jul-18 11:46:34

Misleading the House used to be a resigning offence, now it seems to be the norm.

EEJit Sat 21-Jul-18 11:05:58

It's nothing new. Profumo and Thorpe spring to mind.

Kim19 Sat 21-Jul-18 11:05:33

PECS, I was wondering if you would name some of the past MPs you outline in your first statement, please? I'd be interested in doing some research.

BRedhead59 Sat 21-Jul-18 10:32:03

"It was ever thus"

Elrel Sat 21-Jul-18 10:29:25

I think there were always some appalling people at Westminster. The difference is that now the media can tell us about them with varying degrees of accuracy.
The remedy is in the hands of the voters. If your MP is a sex pest, a liar, or an embezzler don’t vote for him or her next time. Simples!
NB I did NOT say ‘don’t vote’!

4allweknow Sat 21-Jul-18 10:21:54

Doesn't matter where you look in society ethical and moral standards have declined. Just need to look at Joe Public; behaviour, dress, speech, eating, work, relationships. Politicians are no less affected. Difference is that with the media today we are made aware instantly of any misdemeanor whereas it used to take years before being uncovered. Nothing has changed other than investigative journalism and communications.

CardiffJaguar Sat 21-Jul-18 10:17:13

Nothing much has changed on our political scene from, say, 50 or so years ago. MPs have been much the same over time.

What HAS happened is that we are now told by media about every little bit that in the past we might never have heard about. There is a proliferation of information and much of it is doubtful, biased or simply the opinion of one person.

MPs have never been examples to follow, just the odd exception, much like the rest of the public. They are all the same homo sapiens as us.

lemongrove Sat 21-Jul-18 09:38:26

Add to that, regarding bad behaviour from all political parties at times ,it is not just ‘according to me’ but according to just about everybody I should think.

lemongrove Sat 21-Jul-18 09:35:31

Eloethan as usual you are ready to jump in with both boots on.
You are right in one thing only, that I criticise the LP ....however, when they have rid themselves of the three amigos, (second rate brains with marxist views) the LP under the right Leader and with a better shadow cabinet could actually do well.
I have not ‘jumped to the defence of the Conservative Party’
In any of my posts on here, I suggest you read them again.
The Conservatives haven’t been doing well ( although TMay has to be applauded for staying power and sense of duty, unlike the cowardly Cameron.)I asked the OP a perfectly reasonable question btw.