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Luckygirl Sun 22-Jul-18 09:12:46

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b9zvtf#play

An interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning.

Allygran1 Tue 14-Aug-18 00:38:12

Done it again! The above post is meant in response to Mostlyharmless not MaizieD. I cannot seem to separate you . So sorry! Maizie.

Allygran1 Tue 14-Aug-18 00:33:53

Momentum is the main investor 340K in Focaldata formed 2017, who produced a widely publicised "poll" saying 102 constituencies had changed to Remain from Leave. The method used was a new computerised modelling analysis system, using old data from several sources, that must raise questions. It produced the report for "campaigning against Brexit, and the anti-racist Hope Not Hate group".

Maisie the Guardian Link shows that this Poll was carried out by computer modelling using a variety of source data from UGove and Office for National Statistics amongst others. This is not a conventional or tested method of achieving reliable stats. There are two other major concerns regarding the independence of the Modelling company Focaldate are that it's funding comes from one main investor, that investor is MOMENTUM to the tune of 340K. They are based in as they state "the European Union" and were formed in 2017. This has to suggest caution in accepting any of these results on a number of levels.

It combined the polling with detailed census information and data from the Office for National Statistics. The study was jointly commissioned by Best for Britain, which is campaigning against Brexit, and the anti-racist Hope Not Hate group.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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CB Rank (Company)
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Focaldata
Marketing Intelligence 2.0
London, England, United Kingdom
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Consumer, Consumer Research, Market Research, Predictive Analytics
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European Union (EU)
Founded Date
2017
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Aidan Russell, Calvin Dudek, Justin Ibbett
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Website
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Here at focaldata, we're all about helping clients enjoy more effective marketing, all the way from efficient resource allocation and effective campaigns to enhanced ROI. And the key to this effectiveness is our very own self-service consumer intelligence platform, as it bypasses all those hurdles that traditional market research sets up.

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ACTIVE PRODUCTS
PRODUCTS TIMELINE
Total Products Active 55
Total Product Changes 10.5%
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Allygran1 Mon 13-Aug-18 23:49:49

So glad to hear it although a ten till five job isn't that demanding is it. Especially with other people doing your reports and research for you. As I said, don't knock it till you tried it. Research is something that you can gain a lot from. Need knowledge to find knowledge, that is what my Lecturer's use to say.

I look forward to your response Grandad, whenever you wish to do so.

Grandad1943 Mon 13-Aug-18 23:25:13

Allygran1, if Jalimal does not want to respond to "certain comments or issues" that a thread is centred around, then that begs the question why comment or post at all.

In regards to joelsnans post on the Asset Alliance Group in the Motor Transport, it is getting late now, but I "very much look forward" to responding to that when I finish work tomorrow.

By the way in response to your enquiry in regards to my hours at my office today, that was from 10:00 am until 5:00 pm with a break while we waited for a report to be passed back from the legal secretary.

However, none of us incurred repetitive strain injury from cutting and pasting anything into that report. smile

Allygran1 Mon 13-Aug-18 23:00:59

Grandad your comments to Jalimal.

I can't speak for Jalimal, however you should consider that sometime people simply don't want to respond to certain comment's or issues. Especially Grandad if they contain an derogatory remark that is personalised. Challenging people to post is not the way.

Allygran1 Mon 13-Aug-18 22:54:09

Excellent post Joelsnan. Really informative and giving a balanced view thanks for putting it up.

Allygran1 Mon 13-Aug-18 22:52:17

Grandad, I will respond to you when I decide to not when you say. Hope you had a good day in the office, whenever that was!

I respond to post's that I believe are interesting and worth my effort. Sadly that one is an old chestnut that you have pulled out so many times in one form or another.

Joelsnan Mon 13-Aug-18 22:44:39

Grandad1943
cut and paste from Commercial Motor magazine
Senior management at UK road transport operators do not believe that Brexit will damage their growth prospects in the short or medium term, with a majority anticipating significantly or slightly better growth in 2018 and 2019.

A study of the health and prosperity of the road transport industry in the UK, conducted by Asset Alliance Group and CM’s sister title Motor Transport and launched yesterday (24 April) at the CV Show on the Asset Alliance stand (3D79), found that:

47.9% of MDs, chief executives and owners of road hauliers and logistics operators said their business would perform slightly better in 2018 compared with 2017.
14.2% said it would perform significantly better in 2018 compared with 2017.
The Asset Alliance Industry Monitor is a study into the size, shape and sentiments of the road transport industry, and contains unique insights into the future of the sector.
Willie Paterson, chief executive at Asset Alliance Group (pictured), said: “It is easy to get caught up in negative headlines about the implications of Brexit, the political landscape and legislation changes, but the results of this survey are extremely positive, which demonstrates real market confidence from the road transport sector.

"People are remarkably optimistic.”

You can download the report at the Asset Alliance website.

By Christopher Walton

assetalliancegroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/184-Industry-Monitor-online-version.pdf

Grandad1943 Mon 13-Aug-18 20:04:16

Jalima1108, there are plenty of facts if YOU did some searching around. I have posted in this thread the views of the RHA Chief Executive Richard Burnett who is someone who has a lifetime of experience in the Road Transport Industry.

Comment on his views now that they have been placed in front of you Jalima1108 instead of " dodging" the main debate issues in your usual offhand manner.

Diana54 Mon 13-Aug-18 20:03:11

Jamila do you not realise there are no facts on Brexit just aspirations that most likely will not be realized. We have no idea what the final deal or no deal will mean, that is scary after 2 yrs of no negotiations.

Jalima1108 Mon 13-Aug-18 19:49:47

Let’s face it, grandad1943 some Brexiteers don’t care a fig about the economic damage and chaos that may ensue as long as they get “Brexit”. The fact that it’s costing billions, we won’t see any benefits in our lifetimes, if at all, we will really be the sick man of Europe once again means nothing because we will have raised the drawbridge and will have no links with those furriners.

You know those things for a fact, do you, crustaltips?

Presumably you have done some research

Grandad1943 Mon 13-Aug-18 19:49:16

And several did Joelsnan . That is the trend of the polls and the way the opinion in the country is going.

Brexitiers clinging to straws again. Same old story, fingers in ears, heads in the sand and let's all jump of the cliff together.

Except now it does just not wash with an ever-growing number of the British electorate

varian Mon 13-Aug-18 19:47:29

I have to admit you are right Joelsnan, the polls did get it wrong in 2016, but we now have a lot more information about the nonsense that is brexit, and the more information we have the more leave voters will see the error of their ways - not you and most of the other brexiters on GN but they are a lost cause, an irrelevance.

The British people, having been properly informed of the options and the implications , need to be given the chance to exercise their democratic right in a way they never were in 2016.

Joelsnan Mon 13-Aug-18 19:39:16

grandad1943
Several opinion polls demonstrated that the referendum would result in a majority vote for remaining in the EU....ooops!

Grandad1943 Mon 13-Aug-18 19:36:07

varian, I believe that with industry figures such as RHA Chief Executive Richard Burnett now openly speaking out in regard to Brexit, opinion in Britain is and has now changed.

As several opinion polls demonstrated over the weekend, remaining in the European Union is now the preferred option of the majority in the UK now that the full repercussions of leaving have been clearly demonstrated to all of us.

varian, can I thank you and others like you for the long continuous hours you have spent in persuading so many in the remain argument.

Again many thanks

varian Mon 13-Aug-18 19:09:01

Scaremongering??? Get real

Joelsnan Mon 13-Aug-18 19:04:02

crysraltips
Let's face it, You have no idea what anyone else thinks. Your comments are just assumptions based upon your own predjudices.
You have no idea what remaining in the EU will bring but you are prpared to stay even though you are repeatedly advised of the cracks that are there.
Leavers do look and lusten and analyse and weigh up the pros and cons and evaluate all of the current scaremongering and still feel that those who follow us will thank us for being brave enough to make the break mow.

crystaltipps Mon 13-Aug-18 18:50:03

Let’s face it, grandad1943 some Brexiteers don’t care a fig about the economic damage and chaos that may ensue as long as they get “Brexit”. The fact that it’s costing billions, we won’t see any benefits in our lifetimes, if at all, we will really be the sick man of Europe once again means nothing because we will have raised the drawbridge and will have no links with those furriners.

Grandad1943 Mon 13-Aug-18 18:24:15

Joelsnan, in response to your post @ 13:01 today (13/08/18) you ask if my vote to remain has been based purely upon the views of the RHA who represent only 50% of all Road Hauliers?

My answer is that many factors influenced my remain decision but how Brexit would affect the Transport industry made up a large part of my eventual judgment. Road Transport is the most vital support industry to all other industries with the exception of the city.

The RHA part in the above would be that they represent over 7000 Road Haulage companies who operate over two hundred and fifty thousand heavy vehicles into and out of the EU and in that bulk supplying distribution and manufacturing centres throughout Britain. Therefore, those 7000 plus RHA member companies form the "backbone" of the transport industry.

Consequently, much of the goods being carried on the vehicles we see every day with logos such as Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's, Argos to name but a few, had a huge percentage of the goods on those vehicles supplied to them by RHA member vehicles running through Britains ports.

The above is the reason I feel that everyone should consider very seriously the statement made by the RHA Chief Executive Richard Burnett in regard to the effects a "no deal" Brexit would have on the Road Transport Industry and in that everyone who resides in Britain.

Joelsnan Mon 13-Aug-18 13:01:29

Grandad1943
Has your decision to vote remain been based purely upon the views of the RHA who represent only 50% of all Road Hauliers?
There are far more reasons for leaving and indeed potentially one or two for remaining. Open your eyes, do some research (not RHA). You may be shocked, suprised and potentially enlightened.

Grandad1943 Mon 13-Aug-18 11:38:51

Allygran1, you state in your above post that you feel you do not need to refute the recent press statement by the Road Haulage Association (RHA) Chief Executive Richard Burnett. In that statement, Burnett advised on the devastating effects of a "no deal" Brexit on the Road Haulage Industry and through that Britain in General.

Therefore Allygran1 as an ardent "cut & paste" Brexitier are you stating that you accept the "chaos and wholesale damage" that will come about in the British Road Transport Industry and the contagion that will bring to all UK residents lives on a no deal Brexit.

Should the above be the case Allygran1, then Brexit really is dead, as no one will accept that prospect as an outcome for their post-Brexit lives.

In the office today but look forward to reading your response later in the day.

Allygran1 Mon 13-Aug-18 01:28:04

Perhaps Grandad it's because we don't need to!

varian Sun 12-Aug-18 11:37:35

It is not sursprising that GN leavers cannot refute statements made by those in the transport business who know exactly what damage a hard brexit would do. Their brexiteer heroes have no answer either. Listen to this pathetic unconvincing performance by JRM-

"Why a van driver tackled Somerset MP Jacob Rees-Mogg over Brexit"

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/van-driver-tackled-somerset-mp-1626997

mostlyharmless Sun 12-Aug-18 11:37:12

Latest polling shows that 112 “Leave” seats would now vote “Remain” if there were to be another vote. The constituencies shifting allegiance are mainly in the north of England and in Wales. Wales would now be a Remain area rather than a Leave area.
Two of the constituencies now preferring Remain are Boris Johnson’s and Michael Gove’s. Perhaps those two ought to rethink!

Overall Remain would be 53% and Leave 47%.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain

Grandad1943 Sun 12-Aug-18 11:11:31

I'm really surprised that there has been no effort made by Leavers to refute what has been advised by the RHA chief Executive Richard Burnett.