Brexit

If there is a people's vote (another referendum) and it goes the 'right' way, will that be the end of our democratic right to change our minds,...etc

If there were to be another referendum it would be based, I think, on whether to accept any deal that the government might have achieved by then, or to remain in the EU. Which would be a different animal from the 2016 vote as there would be something definite to choose from. 'Leave the EU' was never a well defined choice as there are so many competing 'visions' of what 'Leave' actually means. People would be in a far better position to make a choice if there was a definite plan for leaving set out, with properly researched assessments of the effects of The Plan.

Leavers keep on saying that we can't foresee the future. Too right we can't when it comes to Brexit; we don't even know what sort of Brexit we're likely to get. Can May overcome the Goves, Johnsons and Rees-Moggs in her party and deliver something which gives us the benefits of being in the EU without the bits we apparently don't like? Or are we going to go for broke (no deal) and live on hope and 'aspirations' (and short commons) for the 50 odd years foreseen by Rees Mogg?

Fennel
They have. 10 pro Brexit organisations have got together.
It's called The Brexit advance coalition.

Fennel perhaps if NI and Scotland became Independent and then there was a re-run of the Brexit Referendum (E&W only) then there would be a bigger majority for leave and UKIP would get its fair share of the RUK seats.

Good one Varian. I think they had something similar for Boris.

If there is a people's vote (another referendum) and it goes the 'right' way, will that be the end of our democratic right to change our minds, or, if deemed appropriate will there be another vote in two years time to give us a chance to exercise our democratic vote to change our minds yet again and again and again?!! Obviously if another referendum went 'wrong', like Ireland we will of course, democratically, have one re run after another until we get the 'right' result. Once that result is obtained, something tells me that any talk of our democratic right to change our minds will disappear like snow on a June day!!

Not in so many words, MaizieD. The Federation of Small Businesses has said the export strategy was "strong on aspiration". Perhaps that is what we will export: Aspiration.

Did Fox mention what it is we're going to be exporting?

Liam Fox has revealed plans to turn the UK into an exporting superpower after Brexit. Is this the same Liam Fox who assured us Brexit was going to be a walk in the park?

Farage allowed people to have a say and only a small proportion of them were racists and bigots. Those loathesome people crawled out of the wood-work and were also given a voice. unfortunately but they only speak for their kind

He's in bed with them, Day6.

Some people who believe that’s he EU is good for the U.K. are also fair minded believe it or not. Plenty of mud slinging from both sides I think you’ll find. Being called extremists, traitors, anarchists, Trotskyist, communist and all manner of names on here.

In fact if he linked up with Boris they could do well.

Another point about UKIP, which I've mentioned before:
Because of our voting system the results of the 2017 GE gave the SNP 977,000 votes - they got 35 seats.
UKIP had nearly 600,000 votes - no seats.
Not that I'm a UKIP supporter, but it doesn't seem fair.
There was, and probably still is, strong countrywide support for NF.

I have signed the petition on change.org called final say..we need to have a say in the final deal!

Sorry, puerile!

Purile indeed Day6! An excellent post which I totally agree with.

Like him or loathe him, Nigel Farage has played an important role in the history of the UK.

It's a shame Ukip became tarnished by the presence of bigots and racists. Farage was never one, to my mind, but he did stir up patriotism in the UK - enough for us to want to wave goodbye to the power of Brussels and the misuse of billions of taxpayers money every year.

Many articulate, intelligent, well-balanced people do not see Farage in the way Remainers do. But to some liberals it's not good to support anyone who thinks a limit on immigration is an idea worth considering.

However, look at how both Labour and Conservative parties made immigration a part of their political agenda after the rise of UKP and the public making their voices heard.

That cannot be denied. It was an issue which needed airing.

All of a sudden immigration and the EU was being talked about, and as I have always maintained, discussion and free speech is much healthier than the repressive politically correct agenda we have been forced to swallow.

Mainstream parties got on board and made it an issue too, by popular demand. It was the first time in a long time that people power and democracy had a voice and an impact.

Free speech is being outlawed by those who do not like those with an agenda or opinion different from theirs. As was mentioned earlier, it's very convenient to drown out opinion by invoking "Islamophobia" "bigotry" and "racism", when very ordinary, good-hearted and tolerant people have genuine concerns - not hatred, but concerns.

As POGSmentioned above, look at the way in which these who wanted out of the EU are being portrayed by Remainers.

It's both frightening and sinister at the same time and the sooner most ordinary people become aware of the sly way in which liberals are trying to stifle free speech, the better.

Farage allowed people to have a say and only a small proportion of them were racists and bigots. Those loathesome people crawled out of the wood-work and were also given a voice. unfortunately but they only speak for their kind, are easily identified and are not like the fair minded people people who believe the EU is bad for the UK.

Remainers have used Farage as a punch bag ever since. See the puerile photo above.

Varian

Which ' kippers ' are they?

You are right -I ment the kippers

Skippers?
The word is Kippers when making reference to Farage/ ukip

The point of this joke is that farage belongs in a lavatory. Obviously it was a joke which did not go down well with the skippers.

POGS
What's even funnier is that most people saw the fake news * a year ago* [grin*

Varian.

A poster said this on this thread :-

" It's extraordinary how Leavers manage to reduce everything to the level of the playground."

Your post is certainly contradicting that point.

Some poor sap might believe your telling the truth by posting fake news.

The latest Ikea product is aptly named.

I've just listened to Luckygirls link again.
One sentence that jumped out was ^ if you keep calling people racists, don't be surprised when they vote for one"

From the eminent neuroscientist, Baroness Greenfield.
" The effect of social media on some adults once online they adopt the mindset of a petulant child- name calling, bullying and taking offence at every perceived slight"
"They are utterly incapable of appreciating that other people may have views that are different from their own.
It's a case of "agree with me, or I'll shout you down until you do" it's worse than the school playground"