Brexit

Well shared Varian

And?

What - copied and pasted?
Will it be deleted?

I must take care myself not to do that.

They are not varians own words. They are copied from the link.

Well stated Varian.

The idea that the UK could leave the EU but still have access to the single market without paying into the EU budget is a clear fantasy. Within days of the referendum result, leading politicians on the leave side had to admit that what they had promised was a mirage. Similarly, the idea that Britain will get access to the EU market but say no to free movement of labour is also pure fantasy – the likelihood that countries such as Poland and Romania would not veto such a deal is zero.

The slogan ‘Brexit means Brexit’ is thus meaningless because no one knows what a Brexit alternative will look like. This is the downside of referendums, namely that it is too easy to win if you launch an alternative that is a mirage. Real politics is about taking responsibility for making difficult choices between far-from-perfect 'real-world' alternatives. The implication is that when the leave side finally produces a deal that instead of offering magic specifies the actual conditions under which the United Kingdom will leave the EU, there should be a new referendum.

www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/oxford-and-brexit/brexit-analysis/second-referendum

Crashing out of the EU without a deal would be a “mistake we would regret for generations”, Jeremy Hunt has said.

The foreign secretary said a no-deal Brexit would “inevitably change British attitudes towards Europe”, just a day after Latvia’s foreign minister claimed the scenario stood a 50:50 chance of coming to pass.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-jeremy-hunt-mistake-negotiations-eu-a8495406.html

Why oh why would we do this to our country and to our children and grandchildren’s generations?

The British Medical Association (BMA) says a no deal Brexit could have could have potentially catastrophic consequences for the NHS, patients, the health workforce, services and the nation’s health.

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/brexit-no-deal-could-catastrophic-1903572

More warnings from experts.

The UK crashing out of the European Union without a deal would be an “Armageddon scenario” for farmers, the head of the NFU told the Royal Welsh Show. NFU president Minette Batters said leaving the EU with no deal would be the worst possible outcome for Welsh farming.

“Crashing out without a deal. That is the Armageddon scenario. That has to be avoided,” said Ms Batters, speaking at an NFU Cymru seminar

www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/no-deal-brexit-armageddon-scenario-farming

Is the head of the NFU an expert in farming? Do the brexiteers still disregard all expert advice?

I know someone who is working on one of these she says it’s s right old shambles.

Buzzfeed has published a list of areas the government is covering in its papers. You might like it for information. I have enclosed it in italics although it is self evidently taken from a publication.

“series of government papers on a “no deal” Brexit, expected to be published from next week, will cover more than 80 specific subjects ranging from blood safety to fertilisers to driving licenses, according to a provisional list leaked to BuzzFeed News.

The list – drawn together from departments across Whitehall – underlines the scope of the potential disruption to British life if the UK crashes out of the European Union in March without a withdrawal agreement. And it starkly illustrates the extent of the challenge facing officials who have been ordered to prepare for such an outcome.

Some of the reports, judging by the subject headings, will be sweeping in scope – such as those covering financial services and climate – while others will be highly specific. One report, for example, is expected to be dedicated to how a no-deal Brexit would affect the ability of UK citizens to travel with their pets.

Under current plans, the reports will be published in batches, starting as early as next week and running through September, although the timetable could slip, people familiar with the documents said.

Last month, Theresa May told a parliamentary committee there would be around 70 “technical notifications” published to advise individuals and businesses on how to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

But the number of reports to be published appears to have increased, according to the list seen by BuzzFeed News. The subjects they will cover are:

Air services
Animal breeding
Aviation safety
Aviation security
Batch testing of medicine
Blood safety
Broadcasting
Chemicals regulation
Civil judicial cooperation
Civil nuclear
Climate
Commercial road haulage
Common Travel Area
Company law
Competition
Consumer protection
Cross-border gas trading
Customs and borders
Data
Driver licensing
Drugs
e-Commerce and geo-blocking
Electricity trading
Environmental standards
Equine movements
Erasmus
EU citizens in the UK
EU programmes and structural funds
EU space programmes
European regional development fund
European social fund
Export control regulation
Fertilisers
Financial services
Firearms
Fisheries, fish and seafood
Fluorinated gases and Ozone depleting substances
Food labelling
Genetically modified organisms
Geographical indicators
Health and identification marks for products of animal origin
Horizon 2020
Imports of food and feed
Insolvency
Intellectual property
Life sciences
Live animals and animal products
Maritime security
Motor insurance
New car and van CO2 emissions
NGOs
Nuclear research
Objects of cultural interest
Oil and gas
Organic food production
Organs, tissue, and cells
Passports
Payments to farmers
Pesticides regulations
Pet travel
Plants and seeds
Procurement
Product regulation
Registration of veterinary medicines
Renewable electricity issues
Rural Development Programme for England
Seafarer certification
Services
State aid
Telecoms
Timber trade
Tobacco
Trade agreements continuity
Trade in endangered species
Trade remedies
Trans-European energy infrastructure
UK citizens in the EU
UK LIFE projects
UK trade tariff
Upholding industrial emissions
VAT
Vehicle standards
Veterinary medicine products
Workplace rights”

Trouble is any criticism of our dear government and it’s current feebleness and division is met with mud slinging about being traitors/ anarchists / communists or whatever inaccurate slogan can be dragged from the depths of Wikipedia. Any question as to what the benefits of all this are is never answered except with another load of mud slinging. No attempt to discuss any current position other than it will all be marvellous and we’ve all got to get behind Theresa and pull together. Any deviation from this mantra is not allowed.

I believe the problem with the Brexit threads on this forum is in the main very many look back at what has brought the UK to the position the nation now finds itself in. However, it has been more than two years since the referendum and the UK governments inability to bring forward in that time any coherent or consistent negotiating policy in regard to Britain leaving the European Union has brought many of the UK's essential industries to now view the future in a near desperate light.

Let us all face the fact that neither of the two main party leaders has control of their Brexit divided MPs in the House of Commons. In that it is widely believed there is no majority for a hard Brexit in Parliament, and yet there is with now only six months until Britain leaves the EU little sign that "a deal" acceptable to the European Union and the very divided British House of Commons is about to transpire or is even likely too.

Therefore looking back through long cut and paste posts at what has gone before, or the problems in both the two main parties in posts on this forum will not encourage healthy debate or interest in Brexit but only promote further "gloom" on the matter.

In Britain "we are where we are" in regards to Brexit, and we either prepare as best we can for a hard brexit with all that it would entail, or concentrate on bringing our MPs to form enough unity to put forward a negotiating position acceptable to the EU, the British Parliament and the British public.

Britains vital industries need to know what the future holds so they can plan for that future as best they can in the short time left. In that many in the Transport industry are already stating that it is too late to accommodate a no customs agreement situation with the EU if that is to come about in only six months time.

In the above, that is what we all should be discussing and thinking on in my view

Varian the only poster to dominate all Brexit threads is your good self

Brid and also Varian no matter what you think, saying on here that another poster is a robot/ whatever is likely to have your posts deleted ( as they were the other day) as posters must be taken at face value.Or virtual face value.
Too many times it has just been used as an insult.

And the irrelevant ones about skipping crystaltipps

Yes perhaps time for a fresh thread. Any ideas ladies (& Grandad)
There is so much happening at the moment.
Perhaps : what is going on with Jeremy Corbyn, he seems to have faded into the political background, not quite what was expected

Getting rsi scrolling through those long posts. Most of them repetitive. Don’t read them. Also getting fed up with all the different Brexit threads which just merge into one and are basically the same.

yes, they are!

Ahh, aren’t they just so adorable. Precious memories in the making.

Apparently I will get better when I get older

? very quick Jalima, actually that’s not a bad idea , don’t think I would last long though ?‍♀️

Skipping is very easy - according to DGD.
but she is only 6.

I do skip, but it takes forever to find the next post ?

As DGD said to me 'skip, Granny, skip'
(she meant the actual physical exercise)