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No disclosure restriction on Windrush victims

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trisher Sun 05-Aug-18 14:40:37

Well as the media debate and pontificate over the possibility of anti-semitism in the Labour Party the government has once again taken another unspeakable decision and is asking victims of the Windrush debacle to sign Non disclosure agreements if they want an early payment. The Home Secretary told a select committee just 3 weeks ago that this wasn't happening, but it seems it is. So a government minister can lie and people who have been treated very badly can be forced to keep silent, or have to wait longer for compensation, and it barely makes the news, whereas discussions within the LP are front page. The possible suffering of some people it seems is more important than the real suffering of others.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 19:45:02

trisher, you didn’t read Joelsnan’s kink ?

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:39:22

No he wasn’t lying, it was in a letter published before the select committee where he said there would be no NDA’s
It had evidently been thought of in certain cases ( particularly for one case) but was then dismissed as not the right route to go down, so they didn’t.

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 19:35:19

So when Sajid Javid says I can confirm that Windrush generation cases are sometimes addressed through this route … Whilst there is no requirement, settlement offers are sometimes accompanied by confidentiality clauses, depending on individual circumstances. he was lying?

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:26:48

trisher having now had time to look into this story, it’s actually a non story as the Windrush claimants are not being asked to sign disclaimers at all.
None of them will have to do this.....none

No I don’t think it would be acceptable, do show me where I thought and said that it was.
Just accept that you rushed to judgement with your OP.

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 18:55:10

So you think it is OK to stop someone speaking about the ill treatment they have been given lemon and link their compensation to that?
Could you explain to me any circumstance in which you would find it acceptable?

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 18:51:58

Thank you Joelsnan, I fail miserably when I googled for info.

That’s cleared up

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 18:50:40

In the Independent 2 days ago and today's Guardian. I thought you were researching this lemon? just google and there it is!

Joelsnan Mon 06-Aug-18 18:32:02

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2018/08/06/reporting-on-windrush-compensation/

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:49:22

The Sun?!
Really, hardly reliable material trisher

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 17:46:23

I have googled for more on the NDA only found it the Sun lemon

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:40:27

If the NDA’s are being used, I will then try to find out exactly why, and not use knee jerk feelings against a Conservative government.
If I then feel they should not be used, I’ll say so.

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:38:28

Wonder if I was to get your posts deleted that are trying to label myself and Annie as racists ?
Fortunately for you I prefer to let them stand and be read by others to show what you invariably do on threads, which is to slying attack posters who don’t share your exteme left wing views.
I will comment on the Windrush NDA’s when I have read more about it from a reliable source.

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 17:30:42

There's a thread on that lemon No crossed threads-naughty naughty. Wonder how many posts on here I could get deleted for that???

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:28:53

And you still aren’t accepting the antisemitism within the LP.....now there’s a surprise!

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:26:46

Just a minute here trisher ......excatly what attititude am I displaying ( in your rush to call posters racists.)
I have hardly commented at all, other than saying if it is true ( the NDA’s) I must do some reading.I cannot accept every OP comment on face value which is why I wanted to read more about it.
Now, think carefully before you label other posters as racists.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 17:19:24

Using the hatred accusation still trisher, I expect that from one or two others but you are too intelligent to use playground nonsense

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 17:00:59

As I said your hatred of someone is more important than people who are suffering. So no point in engaging with you Annie. It's sad really.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 16:24:50

trisher, you said - if it exists

yet you know it does, the leader and deputy leader has accepted it does exist , you say if

A person doesn’t have to lose their home or access to healthcare to be a victim of racism

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 16:17:12

I haven't denied anything Annie I have said that I have yet to see someone who has lost their home, their job, their access to healthcare or any other major life crisis because of anti-semitism in the LP. If you have evidence to the contrary please post it. And that it therefore seems strange that what is in effect wrangling over language should be considered more important than real life suffering by the media.
But even as I typed this I realised that your hatred of Corbyn is more important to you than these human tragedies.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 16:10:16

So we are both racist Trisher ?

Not wishing to join a discussion doesn’t mean one doesn’t agree with what is being said. Denying something exists which does exist is so different

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 15:54:46

Annie racism hurts, racism harms , racism kills, denying it exists is supporting racists
I agree with you and anyone who refuses to discuss policies that have resulted in people losing their citizenship, their jobs, access to health care and even being exiled to another country is, in my opinion, colluding with these actions and is therefore racist.

OldMeg Mon 06-Aug-18 15:51:05

Well thank you Ilovecheese and Eloethan that was a pleasant surprise. Good advice, ignore the ‘tiresome’ and ‘irritating’ - it is hard on these forums as in RL I could just literally walk away.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 15:50:56

Some find the truth too difficult to accept so go into denial

Eloethan Mon 06-Aug-18 15:40:52

I agree with Ilovecheese. The constant Corbyn-bashing is very tiresome but please don't let it drive you away.

Ilovecheese Mon 06-Aug-18 15:20:56

OldMeg I would rather you stayed, your posts are rational and intelligent. I know that some things are very irritating, but could you just try to ignore them and carry on posting.