Boris Johnson's Latest 'Gaff'

I am pretty sure Farage, who complained bitterly about being surrounded by foreign speaking people on the train - does not speak French or German when in Brussels.

As for many parts of the EU, where there are large groups of British residents, like the Costas or the Dordogne(shire) ... massive areas have become more or less English only. There are vans travelling back and forth every week to deliver food to the Dordogne ordered on-line from Tescos too.

They have their own Churches too.

Mawbroon
The Danish cartoon issue became known as the 'Lurpak' issue because apart from all of the outrage, riots and damage done worldwide, most muslim countries banned the sale of Lurpak.

Chewbacca you are, of course, right in that racism comes from all quarters, yet if you are white and Christian you are assumed to be immune from racist comments.

How about the time I was stopped in a supermarket and told the small crucifix I wear was offensive - this from a woman wearing a chador who said if I wanted to wear it I should hide it beneath my clothes, or the time I was walking through a predominantly immigrant area and was shouted at and told I didn't belong there and that my "face didn't fit"

I dislike discrimination of any kind but surely that should extend to all races and religions, including white Christians

The list of perceived ways that Islamaphobia can be demonstrated is quite interesting because it seems that this isn't just a one way street:

 name-calling; like calling non muslims kafir, perhaps?
 cultural or religious insensitivity; like Muslims reported antisemitism perhaps?
 verbal assault; "Angela Merkel also made headlines when, in an interview with Channel 10 television this week, she admitted for the first time that the recent wave of migrants to Germany has brought a different type of anti-Semitism than the type found in Berlin in the 1930s, and that the source of this new type of anti-Semitism was “refugees or people of Arab origin.” Like this perhaps?
 graffiti; like the anti Christian graffiti that was sprayed on the wall of a church in Jerusalem perhaps?
 intimidation; like having the general public fearful of going to busy places perhaps?
 exclusion; like not involving yourself in your neighbourhood, except with people of your own beliefs, perhaps?
 discrimination; this goes in both directions perhaps?
 physical assault. perhaps this has been very well covered in past, and recent, events?

The "othering" isn't just a one way street against Islam and it's followers is it?

What has Lurpak got to do with it, Joelsnan?
What have I missed?

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Unfortunately, not all Islamophobia is completely without basis. The BBC news did a report about the imam of the Didsbury Mosque where the Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi attended, and the conclusion was that he had quite likely been radicalised there with a call to "armed Jihad". I remember seeing an undercover "Dispatches" programme a few years ago where a reporter covertly filmed similar, in fact worse with incitement to kill "Kuffars" throw homosexuals off mountains, it was nothing more than hate filled bile with incitement to murder. The sermon at the Didsbury Mosque was played back to one Islamic scholar who was of the opinion that he was "psychologically and practically brainwashing" young people. Let's not forget how many innocent people, including children were killed and injured in the Manchester Arena.

Whilst I presume that the majority of mosques don't incite hatred and violence against other religions. However, if that sort of sermon was coming from a church pulpit how long would that be tolerated? Clearly this type of negativity alarms the vast majority of peaceful Muslims.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't perceive there to be the same sort of prejudice and hate, as undoubtedly there is, aimed at say Hindus.

Whilst one must accept there is a degree of Islamophobia one should also accept that undoubtedly some of this is fueled by the negative news that involves Muslims, such as the historical and seemingly ongoing "girl grooming" that is so often in the news.

Please don't interpret my post as saying I think abuses and verbal assaults against them are justified. I'm merely pointing out that if posters whilst listing the prejudice and racism that encompasses Islamophobia, should also acknowledge that a small section of Muslims have behaved very badly in the countries where they live but profess to hate.

Iamnotarobot
Islamophobia is based upon an unfounded hostility towards Islam
I do not uphold this claim.
The majority of muslims are very moderate in their faith however there is one overarching thing which binds them into a worldwide brotherhood which supercedes any loyalty to their country of residence and that is their collective faith which is started with the first prayer whispered in their ear at birth, the indoctrination continuing through life. Those who have lived and worked in a mainly muslim country will be aware of how everthing revolves around conforming to the faith. The calls to prayer where five times a day conformity is reinforced. It is interesting to see the anxiety levels rise in those caught in meetings when the call to prayer is made. Meeting having to be suspended while the prayer is done.
One only has to see how muslims worldwide come together when any offence is perceived i.e. Lurpak, and because of the worlwide fellowship and the rise in radicalisation there is an uneasyness of any indication of the growth and spread. of these hard line ideologies and culturally appropriating the burka and the male pyjama and beards to demonstrate that they buy into these ideologies obviously raises concerns.

OldMeg, make a cuppa, loved your post about speaking Welsh ?

Why the lecture?
There is enough elsewhere, this thread purported to be about Johnson’s choice of language and we do not need screeds copied and pasted from other threads
Actually threads about threads are contrary to guidelines and are usually deleted.
There is such a thing as banging on.....

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Of course

So was your post of 7.32 written by the same woman?

Yes

Iamnotarobot, are you sure?

I refer you to the above link.

iamnot
You really should be clearer when you are quoting from articles, so that the rest of us know which are your own words and which aren’t.
Use inverted commas, italics and hyperlinks and reference your sources so that we know exactly where these statements are coming from.
Thank you.

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Oldwoman I’m reminded of a story told to me by a Welsh friend.

She was waiting for her train at a railway station and a Muslim woman wearing the hijab was stood close by speaking to a friend.. A bullish, middle-aged man turned to them and said, if you want to live in this country you should at least learn to speak the language.

My friend turned to him and said ‘She does speak the language. This is Wales and she’s speaking Welsh.’

oldbatty said "I am wondering why somebody walked by you gate saying " pity you couldn't have got a Muslim to do that" and I am asking what language they were speaking " Why would you assume the Muslim was not English and would be speaking a different language? Isn't that "casual racism"

Its his legs, I expect.
All hairy and pale.

Either that or he's a fat blonde bloke from Bullington sic MissA

But this stereotyping is perfectly acceptable. Apparently.

What Boris has said ( in his own inimitable way) is that although he thinks burqa and niquab wearers look ridiculous, everybody should be allowed to look ridiculous if that’s how they wish to dress.
I have sympathy with that view, but feel women do cut themselves off by so doing, and also that faces should be seen.I would be very worried on the tube train by a burqa wearer and get off at the next available stop.

Interesting oldbatty ......of course, it’s your choice.It would have given the rest of us an insight ( if you were) and you could have told us your reasons.
I did think it probably wasn’t the reason though, more that you dislike the Conservatives, and Boris especially.