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Allegations against Alex Salmond.

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paddyann Fri 24-Aug-18 16:24:46

Thought I'd get it on before the SNP bashers did .Heres the statement from the First Minister,Its fair and I'm sure its unusual in politics where things are often swept under the carpet and MP's allowed to get away with things by their leaders.
Nicola Sturgeon said:

“Complaints were made in January relating to Alex Salmond by two individuals.

“These complaints have been considered since then under a procedure covering ministers and former ministers that was agreed by me in December 2017 in the wake of public concern about harassment.

“Although I have been aware for some time of the fact of the investigation – initially from Alex Salmond – I have had no role in the process, and to have referred to it before now would have compromised the integrity of the internal investigation, which I was not prepared to do. However, I was informed by the Permanent Secretary earlier this week that she had completed her investigation and that she intended to make the fact of the complaints public.

“Alex Salmond is now challenging the Scottish Government’s procedure in court. The Scottish Government refutes his criticisms of its process and will defend its position vigorously.

“However, this focus on process cannot deflect from the fact that complaints were made that could not be ignored or swept under the carpet.

“I have been clear on many occasions that all organisations and workplaces must make it possible for people to come forward to report concerns and have confidence that they will be treated seriously. For that principle to mean anything it cannot be applied selectively. It must be applied without fear or favour, regardless of the identity, seniority or political allegiance of the person involved.

“My relationship with Alex Salmond obviously makes this an extremely difficult situation for me to come to terms with. I am also acutely aware how upsetting this will be for my party. However the over-riding priority must be to ensure fair and due process. I would also ask that the privacy of those who have complained be respected.”

paddyann Sat 01-Sept-18 23:51:10

Mr Salmond started the crowdfunding page because people asked how they could donate to help with the Judicial Review costs .Its NOT for the allegations.He stated that any monies not used will be distributed to charities and good causes in Scotland.
Mr Salmond already donates a huge portion of his salary EVERY YEAR ,to charity and has for a long time.When he was both an MP and an MSP one of his salaries was donated in its entirety.As a supporter of Alex I have donated to the crowdfunder as have many people I know .

The way this has been handled is appalling,the dossier of 36 thats THIRTY SIX tories accused of being sex pests or harrassing staff etc wasn't all over the media in the same way .Can we expect Amber Rudd and Mrs May to "lose " these files as they "lost" previous ones ?Or will they ever become front page news and ruin reputations before going to court ?

Jalima1108 Sat 01-Sept-18 22:53:02

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned the fact that Alex Salmond has set up a crowdfunding page to pay for legal action against the Scottish Government. He wants a judicial review into how the accusations against him were handled.

He has raised £100,000 (twice his target) and has closed the crowdfunding appeal.

Iam64 Mon 27-Aug-18 14:17:31

Thanks anniebach,sorry for my error.

Jane10 Mon 27-Aug-18 14:10:02

As the incidents in question happened at Bute House I expect that there must be a fairly limited number of people who must have complained. They must be known to many - poor things. Nasty business all round whatever has actually happened.

Jane10 Mon 27-Aug-18 14:06:58

Did this not come to light in a questionnaire circulated to all staff? I remember reading that this has been done but was bring disparaged because 'only' 2 cases had been found. It may have been a completely different survey though. It just vaguely rang a bell.

Anniebach Mon 27-Aug-18 13:20:28

Carl Sergeant wasn’t a former first minister in Wales he was a cabinet secretary Iam ?

Iam64 Mon 27-Aug-18 13:09:48

It's a conundrum isn't it. I'm surprised the question about why women (men/children) make this kind of allegations immediately after the even is still asked. That subject has been endlessly discussed in recent years, with the conclusion that some people/children are so distressed and also so certain their complaint won't be believed, they keep quiet. The issue interferes with their lives, their relationships and soon and eventually some, though by no means all, speak out.
Yes some allegations are false. So far as we know, the majority are genuine.
We don't have the information to decide one way or the other about Alex Salmon. I hope he is supported by his loved ones, friends and colleagues. Carl Sergeant,former first minister in Wales, committed suicide when facing allegations.

Riverwalk Mon 27-Aug-18 12:37:10

According to what I read in yesterday's Sunday Times, he is accused of unwanted hugging, kissing, touching breasts, massaging shoulders, etc. One of his accusers is named.

The article also directly quotes him as saying he's 'no saint'.

Jane10 Mon 27-Aug-18 11:59:45

Just waiting for the outcome of the judicial review. The permanent Secretary was going to make a statement but that was halted, at least temporarily, by the request for the judicial review.
Time will tell I suppose.

Caledonai14 Mon 27-Aug-18 11:50:51

The publicity storm around this has made it impossible for anyone to get to justice or the truth.

There are extra protections in Scottish law to attempt to arrive at a fair trial, should one become necessary. These usually apply once someone is charged, but the circus is happening now and we don't even know if it will go as far as a courtroom eventually.

This seems to be a cynical fishing attempt to see if there are any other alleged victims out there in a bid to strengthen the case for a prosecution.

Other people I've admired in the past have turned out to be less than perfect, but I've seen the effect of false allegations on people's jobs, lives and families.

My best hope is that Mr Salmond is cleared, but - equally - I want victims of any misdoing to be believed and supported.

Alex Salmond did and does so much for Scotland, this is a very hard scenario for us to deal with and I hope that the Scottish government, his party and the police stop pratting about with the issue and either progress it or move to conclude with as much all-round fairness as can be salvaged.

Jane10 Sun 26-Aug-18 11:13:45

I'm wondering what exactly might happen. He's not an MP, MSP or any other sort of representative. If there is enough evidence for police to charge him with an offence what offence would/could it be? What's the worst that could happen?
Not bashing SNP as its not an SNP matter. Nicola Sturgeon has behaved exactly as she should have. Absolutely no complaint there.

Jalima1108 Sun 26-Aug-18 11:06:18

I've never known you express any interest in Plaid Cymru Eloethan!

The only interest I have is that Leanne's hair looks much better down than up.

Jalima1108 Sun 26-Aug-18 11:04:58

I think it is most unfair when a prominent figure is accused of something unspecified like this whilst the accusers remain anonymous and the so-called 'offence' is unknown.

nigglynellie Sun 26-Aug-18 10:16:57

Mr May does! hug Mrs May, as we all saw on TV last year!

nigglynellie Sun 26-Aug-18 10:15:05

Not that over enamoured with A. Salmon or N Sturgeon, but am too polite to say what I really think of either. However, I would defend anyone against false accusation including these two without adding a sly barbed comment.

Anniebach Sun 26-Aug-18 09:58:28

Are you Eleothan, I am not realy interested in Plaid Cymru and I live in Wales.

trisher Sun 26-Aug-18 09:50:53

Must admit though I can't imagine anyone hugging Mrs May!

Eloethan Sat 25-Aug-18 23:46:20

anniebach I'm interested in Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein and the SNP and in what is happening in Wales, Ireland and Scotland. It seems to me it would be quite inward-looking to just focus on the area in which you live and have no interest in anywhere else - after all, we are all part of the UK (at least for the time being!).

Chewbacca I do agree, though unsurprisingly I'm not a fan of hers, that the comment re May was a bit of an unnecessary deviation from the subject matter.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 22:44:35

Who not in Wales concerns themselves with Plaid Cymru. Not In N I with Sinn Fein , I expect it’s the same for those not in Scotland with the SNP

Chewbacca Sat 25-Aug-18 22:28:42

Not been the case on this occassion though Eloethan. In fact the majority of posts have been supportive and sympathetic towards Alex Salmond and I'm wondering why the barbed comment about TM was necessary. I'm no fan of TM at all; but it kind of looks as though the OP has been spoiling for an argument since 16.24 yesterday when this thread opened (about SNP bashers), and now its obvious that everyone is supportive of AS; TM gets chucked in to stir things up a bit. hmm

lilypollen Sat 25-Aug-18 22:27:02

I'm not on any side but reference earlier comments about the time lag between alleged offence and accusers coming forward. This has been occurred many times since the Savile scandal. People feeling able to report alleged happenings.

Chewbacca Sat 25-Aug-18 22:20:28

Possibly Annie. There's a paucity of them on GN that's for sure. OP must be gutted.

Eloethan Sat 25-Aug-18 22:20:26

I suppose we just have to wait until the matter has been properly investigated but I'm hoping that it's not true because, from what I've seen of him, Alex Salmond seems OK.

On Scottish independence threads I'm fairly sure there were some quite rudely dismissive comments about the SNP, one being:

"What I should have expressed more clearly is that many people see 'SNP' and just move on without reading further."

paddyann Sat 25-Aug-18 22:20:15

cant stand the woman,she has been a disaster an ongoing disater for Scotland and the whole UK ,I have no idea why anyone voted for her and her loathsome party of incompetents .Didn't compare her with Lizzie *Annie"

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 22:10:22

I don’t think we can compare Nicola Sturgon with queenie .
Unless Ms Sturgon has been crowned and no one said.

Chewbacca possibly the SNP bashers are the Scots voters who didn’t vote SNP?