Frank Field

Face the facts.
Goodness Fennel!

I am quite shocked by some of the posts on this thread and the nit-picking about exactly which nationality people were who were murdered by the Nazis.

There were Jews from many countries who were sent to the camps. The 'lucky ones' were able to flee, leaving everything, their whole lives, behind them.

motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=394663#4

Perhaps Corbyn should be sent on a fact-finding mission to the Museum of Remembrance or a concentration camp.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/list-of-major-nazi-concentration-camps

What matters is that someone who has always been, and still is, an outstanding constituency MP in a poor and impoverished community and has devoted his life to serving his constituency and who thought well enough of the current Labour leader that he added his name to his nomination papers for that leadership, has been driven to such extremes by the revelations of what that leader has said in the past and is still mealy mouthed about condemning now, that he has resigned the Labour whip and is even considering resigning from the Labour party.

He is not Jewish, but described as a 'practising Anglican'. His decision to resign the whip is an act of altruism and principle, that cannot be matched in either of the two main parties.

Frank Field has to withdraw his resignation or he will be thrown out of the party in two weeks.

He has questioned why this doesn’t apply to the Lords.

Fennel, strange how some have to bring Jews and Wealth into the same discussion.

Annie re Grampas post about German Jews being able to afford to leave - it's true . It was the Polish Jews most of whom were poor, who suffered the most. And there were many more of them. Millions of poor Jews in Poland were lost.
"Poland's war dead at 6,028,000; 3.0 million ethnic Poles and 3.0 million Jews". Wiki.
In Germany where there were fewer Jews and they were more prosperous more were able to leave the country before the Holocaust.
"Overall, of the 522,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933, approximately 304,000 emigrated during the first six years of Nazi rule and about 214,000 were left on the eve of World War II. Of these, 160-180,000 were killed as a part of the Holocaust. "
Face the facts.

trisher, Margaret did not mention the holocaust, this keeps being repeated by Corbyn supporters, she did not.

maddyone, I too read the accusations that Margaret was receiving money from Israel.

The day she gave the interview one could see and hear a woman at breaking point. She had been and is the victim of abuse, her fellow colleagues,Jews, had also been victims of abuse and still are, she must have very deep wounds and the attacks on Jews since Corbyn became leader must have caused her such distress , she tackled Corbyn face to face, not in the press, pity there wasn’t a glass door near to him he could have done a repeat performance of hiding behind a glass door. If he was a decent human being he would have been understanding , but he isn’t .

Quite right Annie (your last post.)

Trisher, The Daily Express, 30th July 2018. Sorry, I’m not very good at posting links, but a simple google search will reveal ‘those claims.’

Trisher, neither example you give can be compared to the holocaust. Six million people were systematically deprived of their belongings, their homes, their jobs, their bank accounts and money, their state, and finally their lives. The nearest comparison is what happened in Cambodia in the 70s, when two million people suffered exactly the same situation. Other than that we have had Rwanda, Myanmar, and others, all equally terrible, but by far the biggest was the holocaust. And because of the holocaust, racism is illegal, however it is perpetrated, in this country and others.

grandad1943, again I say Margaret did not compare her fear of being verbaly abused and threatened with being thrown out of party with being gassed in the holocaust, you are using a false accusation to attack her. She spoke of her father telling her to keep a suitcase packed. She was referring to the anxiety she was experiencing just because she was a Jew.

I notice you brought the wealth of some of the Jews in the 1930’s into it.

Frank Field also had some extreme anti immigration views and also seemed to have some very unLabour like policies on poverty.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/31/antisemitism-frank-field-resign-jumped-mp-labour
The relevant paragraph:
“Field’s claim that he fled the Labour party in the name of anti-racism is, given his record, certainly audacious. His obsessive anti-immigration agenda once led a Church of England bishop to call him “the new Enoch Powell” – the infamous Tory politician Field has himself praised. Here is a man who has described Margaret Thatcher as a “hero” and was appointed by David Cameron as his “poverty tsar”, swiftly announcing plans to shred child poverty targets.”

maddyone would you like to post any evidence for those claims please

A member of a Labour Party supporting Facebook group has called for Margaret Hodge to be ‘deported to her homeland Israel’ whilst another has called her ‘a Zionist remedial cancer’ and accused her of taking money from Israel. The Labour Party has been investigating 252 complaints of anti Semitic abuse targeted at Margaret Hodge, and has identified all Labour Party members to deal with through their procedure of complaints of anti semitism.
Apparently a Labour councillor in Bognor Regis was suspended recently because he apparently said that Talmud Jews need ‘executing.’
Anti Semitic behaviour is alive and well in Britain today. And a large part of it is in the Labour Party, sadly.

I don't get this Why is it anti-semitic to compare the actions of Israel in Palestine to the Holocaust, but not anti-semitic to compare the actions of the Labour Party to the Holocaust? I know which is worse and it isn't the LP. It seems to me like double standards, which is exactly what upsets those passionate about defending human rights in Palestine and leads the way to more anti-semitism. Which may not be what Margaret Hodge intended but the possible result. It is unfortunate that she chose such words.

Excellent post of 10.11 POGS.

I didn't like Frank Fields ideas about "workfare". Seemed the same as Poundstretcher being given workers without having to pay them.

Totally agree with you Annie, Frank Field was a decent MP, one of few. I have a lot of respect for him. The anti Semitic behaviour over years in the Labour Party is a disgrace in my opinion. Margaret Hodge, who is herself Jewish, has alledged that she has been subjected to many anti Semitic verbal attacks from members of the Labour Party. She is herself a member of the Labour Party, why would she assert such things against her own party if they were not true?

Anniebach I do not know where you get your perspective of history from, but Jewish people living in Germany in the1930s had first their living taken from them then their homes as they were moved into concentration camps.

Only those who could afford to "buy" themselves out of the country prior to the above taking place were spared the camps. Eventually, the vast majority were ether worked to death as forced labour, or died in the gas chambers as part of the "final solution."

For Margret Hodge to equate her situation in the Labour Party inquiry into her actions with those men, women and children who lost their lives in the above is absolutely disgusting.

If as you state Anniebach, Margaret Hodge had her Grandparents caught up in the Holocaust, then that makes her comments doubly despicable and demonstrates that this woman has no sense on perspective whatsoever.

Further to that, in equating what she did, Margaret Hodge slurred the terrible way of her own family members died in that Holocaust.

And fear would be normal given that there are MP’s who are Jews and need and are given protection.

Your comments on Margaret Hodge were shocking grandad1943

Where is mention of the holocaust? In the thirties Jews were driven out of their homes, their JOBS!

Anniebach, here is a report from the South Wales Argus which states what Hodge actually said

Section of the report starts here:-
Dame Margaret Hodge is facing an online backlash over her latest comments in Labour’s anti-Semitism row.

The former Labour minister likened a Labour Party disciplinary investigation into her conduct to the persecution faced by Jews in Nazi Germany, saying she felt “as if they were coming for me”.

Speaking to Sky News, Dame Margaret said the investigation into her confrontation with leader Jeremy Corbyn about his handing of anti-Semitism criticism left her “thinking what did it feel like to be a Jew in Germany in the Thirties” with a “feeling of fear?”.

Full report can be found following this link:-
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/national/16444499.margaret-hodge-faces-online-backlash-over-corbyn-clash-comparison/&ved=2ahUKEwjji6vpp5fdAhWqLsAKHblqCy0QFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1zKZFmliTVo1bE7LOspy9N&cshid=1535719250165

She did not compare herself with those who died in the holocaust , she spoke of her father’s suffering in the 1930’s, let stick to the truth yes ?

For me, I will not be voting for the Labour party if Margret Hodge is still within that party come the next election.

That is how strongly I feel on this matter

I will repeat, for Margret Hodge to compare her situation in the Labour Party to that of Jewish people in Germany in the 1930s waiting for the Henchmen of the Nazi regime to take them away is nothing short of totally despicable.

It is a total insult to all who were caught up and lost their lives in he Holocaust.

Hodge in comparing her situation to the above is absolutely disgusting and for me the sooner that women is thrown out of the labour party the far better place it will be.