Frank Field

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I'm a woman, not a guy

Are they your own words grannypauline or are they copied and pasted?

It would be nice to know.
If copied and pasted you can use these ^ which puts the copied words ^into italics so that other posters know.

Thanks

Get this man had an increase majority at the last election, many MP’s would be very happy to win a seat by 25,000 votes

grannypauline

I have to say think I may have read a good deal of your post somewhere else but not on GN, am I mistaken?

Are you saying / giving the impression as others are doing ( since Frank Field resigned the whip ) such as for example Owen Jones if I interpret his ire toward Frank correctly, Frank Field ' admired ' Enoch Powell.

As for Bishop Peter Selby and his ' personal opinion ' of Frank Field that has been misappropriated in my opinion to attack Frank Field and I appreciate others view it differently, did Bishop Selby not also accuse others of doing the same at the time re Enoch Powell .? Happy to be corrected.

grannypauline Are you saying that because Frank Field has principles different from yours and represents a different strand of the broad church that is the Labour Party, he is to be condemned?

I admire people of principle, whether I agree with them or not. Presumably you only admire with those that agree with you, Isn't that a bit blinkered?

To return to Frank Field:

Far from being a principled Labour politician, Frank Field is a political maverick, promoting his right-wing views on welfare reform, immigration and abortion rights, while on occasion expressing his admiration for Margaret Thatcher (“certainly a hero”) and Enoch Powell (“The ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech gave him a commanding position among voters, as Enoch was expressing their fears”). He was a paid Sun journalist.

Field has been one the most hostile critics of Jeremy Corbyn’s socialist politics. In May last year he threatened to split the Parliamentary Labour Party, by forming a “People’s Labour” bloc of right-wing MPs, if Corbyn refused to stand down as leader following the general election.

In the 1987 Field denounced the left-wing Labour candidate - in the neighbouring Wallasey constituency - Lol Duffy, in the press. He also strongly opposed the workers’ occupation of the Cammell Laird shipyard and was hostile to trade union activity. In the Commons he is a right-wing maverick, earning praise from Tories and the media but annoying many Labour MPs.

Back at his home constituency, members of Birkenhead Labour Party are not prepared to accept this sort of behaviour any longer. As one critic wrote recently: “Field’s views are so clearly inimical to Labour principles of justice, humanity and acceptance that in his case it’s reasonable to ask whether he should still be representing Labour voters in parliament.”

But it is probably his voting record that indicates what his politics are, and while he sometimes voted for a liberal agenda and with the Labour whip, he
consistently voted for the Iraq War and often voted against any investigation into that war.

He voted for a replacement nuclear weapon for Trident and he voted inconsistently on University tuition fees. Abstained (and didn't vote against) cuts which included child tax credits and the household benefit cap. The latter was consistent with his lack of real opposition to the Tories' austerity scenario with its consequent swingeing cuts to local services.

You guys can decide how much you like and admire him, but his policies don't really attack the problems of housing, the big corporations, welfare etc. There is no sense of a coherent policy to develop a more equal society through socialist policies such as those enshrined in Clause 4 part 4 (which he fought so hard to remove from Labour's manifestos): "to secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the of t he means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.”

All faiths are supporting the campaign against anti semitism, Anglican, RC, Muslim, Buddist, Sikh,

Brilliant speech from Gordon Brown

It has niggly , it certaintly has x

Thank you annie, may it bring you sunshine!

niggly, most lovely Daff I have seen ?

Grandmashe43 you posted ^ I think it began in Germany with the Jewish community^
Which is a commonly held belief by many. I simply pointed out that it didn't and that the first group targetted were the disabled. If you consider that being argumentative that is your choice.
I think we were discussing the activities of the Nazis.

You're right annie, 'error of judgment' was the wrong phrase! It was, in fact a bitter disappointment for which I think the whole country has been the poorer for. A lot of 'what ifs'?!!? (the nearest I can get to a daffodil!!)

I have voted Labour all my voting life but joined when JC became leader because he was espousing the Labour principles that had been diminished by the Blairites..who in my opinion were only just left of Tory by the end. The swing to the left in labour is a direct result of the of its previous rightward lurch. The people who support a more Leftist Labour are legitimate citizens who felt nobody else had represented their perspective for a long while. If the Blairites had been more astute they would not have ignored their traditional supporters for so long and been aware that policies so similsr to liberal Tories was not going to cut the mustard for many Labour folk. The Iraq debacle swung it.

For those interested I have started a thread on the latest news of the Labour Party. This thread is about Frank Field x

Trisher, I of course did know the Jewish community were not the first to become targetedto be murdered, I did however, think that the context of the conversation was concerning Jewish people.
I presume you did already realise that and your comments were just being argumentative.

niggly, not an error of judgement, David had the support of MP’s and members but the Unions swung the vote to Ed, David was too new labour for the Unions and the Unions rule.

David Milliband would have won the 2014 election, no doubt about it. He was by far the better choice. But there you go, a grave error of judgment has cost Labour dear, but of course no one can put the clock back unfortunately!

Trisher, I’d forgotten the incorrect post on this thread about which groups were murdered in concentration camps. I’ll amen my comment to say the vast majority of people don’t need reminding that groups other than Jewish people were deemed right for concentration camps.

I think you are right Annie. David Milliband would have been a better choice.

The 2014 election was lost because the unions voted Ed for leader . Unions again !

What is upsetting is Frank Field supported Corbyn for the leadership contest because he thought in fairness the far left should have their say, three years on the far left are kicking him out of the party.

Grandad

" Under the Blair/Brown governments zero hours contracts began to proliferate, the gig economy was brought into being, the finance industry was allowed to gamble their customers and the nation's wealth without any meaningful regulation whatsoever and Blair led the nation into an illegal war. All the foregoing was rightfully “brought to Book” in the loss of the 2010 and 2014 General Elections for Labour ",

I will remember that , especially the zero hours and gig economy comment.

Wrong grandad43, not demands from grass roots members, yes demands by the unions and we all know when unions demand some labour leaders jump as did Wilson when he stood by and the unions demanded the man who was responsible for the deaths of 144, 116 were children under the age of 11 kept his job.

oh, nothing to do with the £3 membership then, and allowing militants back into the LP.

There are Labour MPs that have never accepted that in recent years the party they are a part of has changed dramatically. That change was brought about by the failure of Labour while in power during the Blair/Brown era to adequately represent those who were the grassroots of the party and those in the Trade Unions. Therefore, change was demanded from those sources and in the democratic election of Jeremy Corbyn and others to senior positions in the party change has been brought about.

Under the Blair/Brown governments zero hours contracts began to proliferate, the gig economy was brought into being, the finance industry was allowed to gamble their customers and the nation's wealth without any meaningful regulation whatsoever and Blair led the nation into an illegal war. All the foregoing was rightfully “brought to Book” in the loss of the 2010 and 2014 General Elections for Labour.

The Labour party has now has policies and a leadership committed to reversing the above situations and more, with all being brought forward by democratic action involving of the whole Labour movement and not just the Labour MPs in parliament.

Whether those policies will win the majority support of the whole electorate at the next General Election is yet to be seen. However, those policies are supported by the vast majority of those who are at the grassroots of the Labour party and those who keep the party in financial being by way of their trade union subscriptions and branch affiliations.

In the above, there are those who for whatever their reasons among the Labour MPs and others who wish to see a return to the policies of the Blair/Brown era. In that, they dismiss those democratic changes that have been made and carry out a constant “ sniping War” against the elected leadership and will stoop to the lowest depths imaginable to gain their will.

In the above, we witness Frank Field resigning from the party (but not his parliamentary seat) in a week when parliament is due to reassemble sighting antisemitism as the cause. However, in his own constituency, a Labour Jewish group has stated that they have never been subjected to intimidation or bullying in planning to attend constituency meetings or while at those meetings.

We have also witnessed Margaret Hodge who used expletives directly into the face of Jeremy Corbyn then go on to compare her situation in the Labour party inquiry to Jewish people in 1930s Germany waiting for the Nazi henchmen to come for them, just how low can any person sink.

I am one who feels that the Labour Party has not been led well in recent months by Corbyn in regard to Brexit or the antisemitism issues. However, no challenge has been made against his continued Leadership, and therefore I accept that the majority within the Labour movement wish him to remain in his present position.

Therefore those who wish to see a change in leadership and policies should come forward with a constitutional challenge within the rules of the Labour party or shut up and allow the vast majority of Labour members who support that leader and policies to convince the wider electorate of their argument.