The Last Days of Mrs May?

Good post Day6 yes, UP EURS was a rather brilliant headline.?
Niggly of course, SNP voters would rather be governed by Brussels, or actually any country other than England ( they are still fighting, and losing, Culloden in their heads.

English Independance now there's an interesting concept, it's been a long time since we have truly independant and able to do as we wish alone. Probably Victorian times when we really did rule the waves, even then there was a large contribution by Scotland, Ireland, and Wales.

Being ruled by Brussels paddyann! Not very independent surely!!
No, I didn't propose anything MaisieD, I put forward a suggestion that you intellectuals might think appropriate to alleviate this problem of the 'easily lead'!
Laughing stock, I don't think so, or perhaps you have inside knowledge of worldwide opinion.

Yes Annie. Corbyns behaviour has been and continues to be disgraceful. Day6 will you please stop with your silly name calling, as far as I can see, not many of us remainers on here are Labour voters, and even less ate fans of corbyn so please lay off the silly sweeping generalisations or we may start thinking you read the red top tabloids. It is the shocking lack of understanding of the non existent link between people's political views and their stance on Brexit that makes me realise how this bloody mess came about.

Its an ENGLISH brexit ,for England BY English tories ,the rest of us have had no say in any of it and most of us didn't want it.So please leave us out of it.I'm petitioning for English Independence, then they can sink their own boat and leave the rest of us to get on with our lives in the way WE want as part of Europe .

How could anyone, even a DM reader, possibly was describe themselves as a "proud leaver"????

All leavers should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for the damage they have already done to our once-great country, now the laughing stock of the world.

I am a Labour Party member, I voted remain. Why don’t any other Labour supporter and remainer admit Corbyn let down labour remainers, he didn’t do a damn thing in the lead up to the referendum, he even went on holiday, he wanted out .

Day 6. I would like to know how they are going to get an agreement on the Irish border that will satisfy the EU, they have drawn the red line and been rebuffed.

At the end of negotiations and parliament endorses No Deal, there then has to be a hard border or are you relying totally on the EU caving in.

Well, you're the one who's proposing it, nellie.

I think that several chords have been struck on here this evening...

No Masie, not MY idea, more the superior liberal elite who so look down their noses at anyone who doesn't read the broadsheets!

Well said soop.

Like her or loathe her, Theresa May is taking a fairly neutral path in delivering the mandate of the people and taking us out of the EU. She was charged with the task. It just so happens she belongs to the Conservative party, so according to Cobynites, she is evil incarnate.

If Corbyn had been the PM he'd have had to negotiate with EU politicians and beaureucrats too. May has been stabbed in the back by many of her own party and of course by Remain and Labour opposition.

This is a cause behind which we should all be united in order to get the best deal for the UK, yet still we have politicians using party politics to score points and belittle her as she faces Barnier and Juncker. I really get the feeling many are licking their lips every time she is rebuffed by the EU.

At last she has made a stand and as I said before, all those wrong (ahem) publications (which millions and millions of people read) are at last backing her and cheering her on as she says we will not be disrespected by EU member states. Our biggest threat to the EU is to walk away and if that happens there will be waves of dismay throughout Europe. My hope is that there has been a Plan B all along, ready to be executed for that very eventuality.

As a proud Leaver I chuckled all the way around the supermarket after looking at the news stand. The person who penned UP EURS as the Sun headline on Saturday
said it for many, many people.

I expect he or she has been written off already as 'thick and stupid' by the dismissive, arrogant few on here who sneer at the 'easily led' IE: those with views which differ from theirs - all Leavers.

If those who voted / supported leave are led by lies and spurious appeals to emotion count Corbyn in.

Spot on MaisieD keep the Tories together at ANY cost, although I will add, keep the Unionists happy, loose them and she is sunk.

MaizieD -
Then at least the 'easily led' are led by the truth rather than lies and spurious appeals to emotions.

This sort of left wing arrogance (above) is so typical of many who write on the GN political forum.

Time and time again they state that those who voted Leave were hard of thinking and easily swayed by biased newspaper articles and the like.

And yet, if the Guardian or any other left wing site makes a stand, and it does, always, in favour of Remain and left wing politics, their articles are all 100% accurate. Left wingers lap them up yet state that publications with alternative takes on the same news story are bogus and ill-informed as are the people (millions) who read them.

Just who has the best judgement?

Perhaps those arrogant people might at some time concede that others (who read the 'wrong' papers) have just as much brain power, are capable of thinking objectively, recognise bias AND have the freedom to vote in any way they see fit, determined by THEIR views on current affairs. Not everyone wants Corbyn and his Marxist cronies to lead the country you know. That view is just as repulsive to many thinking, educated, well read people.

Maybe, maybe not MaisieD, but perhaps it should be now!

Your idea, nellie? How elitist....

Teresa May is doing her utmost to represent the best interests of the UK.

No she isn't. The best interests of the UK would be to stay in the EU. Hardly anyone with any expertise in any area (apart, maybe, from the fishing industry) thinks that leaving is in the best interests of the UK.

The only 'interests' May is considering are those of the tory party, which she is trying desperately to hold together.

I agree soop, no one has gone before her, PM’s and party leaders take from those who went before, no one has had to walk the path Mrs May walks.

Hear, hear scoop! I totally agree with you.
Maybe, maybe not MaisieD, but perhaps it should be now! Not only these dreadful newspapers, but now we have the additional problem of less than intellectual TV progs - how can people watch such rubbish! but they do, they love it, and it colours their outlook!

In my opinion Teresa May is not the architect of bloody Brexit. Cameron has a lot to answer for. Bet he sleeps well at night! No one could foresee the chaos that was born of promises that were blatantly false. Teresa May is doing her utmost to represent the best interests of the UK. She is the subject of ridicule and doesn't deserve to be pilloried. A few members of her cabinet are double dealers. They are letting her down at a time when she most needs their support. I would flog some of them if I could get away with it. The opposition make me cringe. "Know it alls" springs to mind. I've no idea what the answer is. I do wish that people could be more respectful of the Pm's efforts as she negotiates her way through a minefield of thankless tasks.

'working class people' - who are they now?
I grew up in a small NE town where the main occupations were coal mining and ship building. My family background was more middle class, but I was in a minority.
We were almost the first intake to the new Grammar schools and most of my friends were from mining families. There were some very clever people among them, cleverer than me, and more worldly. Most were forced to leave at 16 and work to support the family. But some also made their mark later.
Are there any members of the LP now with this kind of background? Which I would call working class.

Nothing to do with educational level, then, nellie?

Only Urban men who rented or paid rates had the vote in 1867. Rural men had to wait till 1884. Others, 1918.

Though, actually,*lemon*, "I couldn't possibly say" is probably a pretty accurate answer because you don't have a clue about people's circumstances. You just like making wild and unsubstantiated statements.

Oooh, think I may have hit a nerve!