Labour Party Conference

Jane10
I too would be interested in Oldbattys experiences with Roma Gypsies.

Roma, Eastern Europeans, Albanians.......they are not interchangeable terms.

Petra - yes to your first question.

I had heard rumours about the Albanian "trade", thank you for telling me.

The genuine gypsies in this area are mostly settled, not exactly integrated, they keep to their own social groups and in general don't cause trouble. We have had several funerals of high ranking gypsies and they are very notable occasions.

They are not to be confused with certain other travelers that cause mayhem.

OldBatty re Roma people. I'd genuinely like to know more about them. I know this isn't the thread for that though. If I started one could you share your experiences or would that be inappropriate?

GranyGravy
I think you are talking about my town, yes ?
I'm sick to death of the open, in your face drug dealing.
I've given up contacting everyone I can think of
The drug dealing and 'working' girls are controlled by the Albanians.

Oldbatty
I lived in Bulgaria for 5 yrs. I probably know more about Roma Gypsies than anyone on this forum. I lived next door to a Roma family but only for a short while until the police evicted them. I employed Roma Gypsies in my garden.
Please don't tell me they are the 'same as us' their mindset is entirely different.
As to why, that's a completely different discussion.

oh lemong- Tory Fudge beats all, for sure. Never ever seen a more disunited and back stabbing party, probably ever.

gilly I don’t understand why you aren’t a staunch Labour supporter. Jeremy feels just as you do over the Royals and you certainly make a good case for the downtrodden, overworked and those put upon by the present polical climate.

Having watched some of the Conference, has it always been like this before now ( a bit shambolic, lots of name calling and booing it’s own speakers)?
Starmer is now saying quite the opposite to what he said last year.Corbyn and McDonnell are not quite agreeing with each other either.
There is so much fudge they should have been boxing and selling it.
They are trying to placate members ( mainly Remainers) and also placate voters ( loads of Leavers) by all this obfuscation, but people can see through it.

More than 60% of Labour voters voted Remain at the referendum. 'Labour heartlands' comprise voters of all persuasion. The tory ones especially were most likely to vote Leave.

I suspect that the 'traditional working class labour voters voted Leave' story is not as straightforward as the extreme Leavers on here would like to think it is.

Well put Anniebach, but that is not what the Tories want, at present they call the tune. Regardless of Brexit the Tories want to stay in power they will do anything to ensure that.

Of course they do. Why wouldn't they? The Conservatives were elected. Why should there be another GE? Let's not forget Labour LOST the last one.

They had a good turn out at the last election because TM misjudged the mood and because of Labour/Momentum recruitment of the young (naive, revolutionaries) to swell party numbers. TM almost handed the country on a plate to Corbyn.

However, I get a distinct feeling the mood has changed. As many have said, can you imagine Corbyn and his acolytes being in charge of the Brexit negotiations?

They can criticise May - many have - but Corbyn blows with the wind, to his shame, in order to get behind the desk in No 10. He has wanted out of the EU for decades. Look at his position now. He is being manipulated and his strings are being pulled by the NEC - which is Momentum's base.

No one is yet aware of Labour's Brexit policy - surprise, surprise. When it's made clear I expect it will be a complete betrayal of the referendum.

Most of the Midlands and North were the same Annie. Voted to Leave. Very fe areas wanted to remain. Traditional working classes and by nature Labour voters wanted out of the EU.

Labour is sticking two fingers up at these people.

It makes me laugh to think that the LP dare to criticise TM’s handling of Brexit . I wonder what JC might’ve done differently ? I can’t follow the LPC . Has he suggested anything ?

Labour's Brexit policy has been about ambiguity and fudging issues all along. What's changed?

One of politics biggest Eurosceptics, Corbyn, hasn't even the guts to stand by his party's promise to respect the result of the referendum.

Labour is a disgrace, and they may well never come to power again.

Large parts of South Wales voted leave , most of South Wales is Labour

87% of what jura - Labour Members, or Labour voters?

Bear in mind there is a huge Labour Leave movement and in many heartlands working class Labour supporters voted out. (This was when we were told by Remainers that the uneducated and old were to blame - for virtually everything)

Could just be that 'new' uber left Labour with it's Marxist and wealthy middle class liberal element - who know what's best for all of us - (that's the way the party has shifted) want to Remain?

Labour has long since forgotten its roots.

But Corbyn , McDonald and Co want out

Day 6- you mean the 87% of Labour who want to remain- really?

Thank GG , an interesting conversation

" but by god I wish more people would pay attention to Keir Starmer. "

You mean the same Keir Starmer with his unequivocal

There’s no dispute that Britain will leave the European Union in March 2019. Labour voted to trigger Article 50 and we did so knowing that we would leave the EU within two years



Labour selling it's supporters down the river.

oldbatty, I live 20mins away from this town, I do not go there.

A lot of elderly people have retired there.

Either side of the town there are seafront houses and apartments, majority worth £850,000 upwards. These residents go to the next small town/village (not sure of exact definition of either), to spend there money, the businesses there are booming, most are small stand alone restaurants and boutiques.

It will take many years to gain back the reputation and standing which has so quickly been lost.

Roma are a race of people and not Eastern European. I'm not being awkward. Roma are hugely discriminated against in Romania.

That doesn't make any of what you are experiencing acceptable GG13.

Oops just spotted my earlier spelling mistake obviously I cannot multi task at the moment.

I believe that the majority of ones causing the problems are Roma, but could not be ? certain all of them are.

We have had a large influx of Polish and Turkish folks, who have integrated well, and opened up their own businesses, which in turn provides jobs and revenue. We only hope that this minority of troubled souls do not tarnish the rest.

Granny Gravy....Romanian or Roma?