Labour Party Conference

I have just been reading about Green QE, it sounds like a very good idea.

They tend to be Rumanian oldbatty, it is a very sad and worrying situation for all concerned. I hope that the females have not been trafficked, which in all probability they have.

I do not belong to any political party, have no idea who would get my vote if they were to call a GE. All I have to go on is my local MP who hasn't been involved in anything "dodgy" or "controversial".

I do not have to visit this seaside town, and will not take my GC there, I know I am now in a fortunate position, but I am not blinkered to other people's plights.

No party has come up with anything that has grabbed my attention, from what I can see politics has sunk to an all time low.

Time to stop all the silly North /South envy perhaps gilly

There's no North/South envy here. Posters are just telling it like it is.

Of course, added to that, we could have a big economic shock as a result of Brexit.

Can anyone explain how we're going to get out of this without the government putting some money into the economy in the form of the Green QE favoured by Labour?

Because private enterprise isn't going to do it; they're not going to prosper, and there aren't going to be any startups, if people don't have much, or any, money to spend.

Of course, the root of this debate can be found in the economy. Cutting services means cutting jobs and without jobs there isn't sufficient cash in the economy to drive it.

Although some areas of the UK may appear to be prosperous it could well be that is because many of the inhabitants are living on credit. There is a huge problem with personal debt in the UK. While national economies can run perfectly well while in debt, household economies can't because they truly have a limit to the amount of money available to them.

This is a very worrying article which explains a consequence of personal/household debt:

Now let’s come to the household sector (you and me) which as we know operates on different time scales. You and me are time limited. We cannot roll over a debt for decades or centuries. In the lower plot, I show the household sector on its own. This is really interesting. As you see households are mainly in surplus – they are saving rather than spending. Only very occassionally do they slip into deficit (red) – spend more than they save. This happened around 1988. If individuals spend more than they earn then eventually they have to stop, spending falls and the economy stalls. The result of the 1988 household deficit was the recession of the early 1990s. During a recession, households are, on average, repairing their balances sheets, i.e. saving rather than spending. Consequently, during and after a recession, we see a large private sector surplus and therefore necessarily a large public sector deficit – the mirror effect. This happened in the both the mid 90s and after the recession of 2008.

Given what I have described, the most shocking part of the household data is what happens after 2016 – follow the big red arrow. We have entered a period of household deficit of a magnitude and duration that is unprecedented in our history.

The lower of the two graphs is the one he is referring to. It shows a level of household debt greater than any in the last 20 years (at least). And note what he says

The result of the 1988 household deficit was the recession of the early 1990s

Yet household debt then was miniscule compared to now

www.progressivepulse.org/economics/the-single-most-important-piece-of-economics-that-everyone-should-know

Time to stop all the silly North /South envy perhaps gilly
It doesn’t help anything

North South envy ? Are you joking lemon ? There is no way on this earth I would want to live in the South .

Labour is not my party, but by god I wish more people would pay attention to Keir Starmer. There are too many people involved on all sides of the Brexit issue who are either peddling delusions or are incapable of acting like adults in the face of an extremely serious issue. Contrary to Gove’s famous statement, I am not tired of listening to experts as the technical side of Brexit (however it turns out) is completely undeliverable without the appropriate expertise.

Especially not when their numbers have been depleted by cuts www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/police-cuts-neighbourhood-officers-violent-crime-rising-diane-abbott-theresa-may-a8508646.html

From which country are the people causing the problems in the seaside town? (genuine question, not trying to cause trouble)

87% support remain - and now Keir Starmer gets a massive standing ovation for supporting a peoples' vote, and one that does include REMAIN as an option.

WOW

Our local Police Force is excellent, they have a very visible town presence, but even they cannot be everywhere all the time.

lemon I do all her applications to help her. Sadly she then turns up to the interviews and blows it...

Yes we have coached her but she insists on coming out with real blinders like “if I was made to work here, would I have to wear ugly clothes like you?”

I can only do so much

I do a longstanding bit of volunteer work with local kids, writing their CVs, working on applications and coaching them for interviews. For a lot of them, a bit of help with the actual mechanics of presenting yourself for employment solves their issue - the kids themselves are willing enough to work and do alright in the jobs.

Some of them however have obviously been sent along by pissed off families to “get off their backside and get a job” and the truth is, I would not be inclined to give them a chance over the other kids either. They have, either due to circumstances or habit, lost any spark about them and present as totally unmotivated.

I can work around the “no qualifications” issue - although often, sadly, it’s a hard bar to the sort of work that interests them - but a total lack of motivation, an expectation that they will not get work or opportunities, is really difficult to work with.

I don’t know (and this is not a party political point) what we do about the expectations of a tranche of people who think they are unemployable, act unemployable, and expect not to get work. There will never be 100% employment, but it saddens me to see kids who have given up on their life chances before they even get to the starting line.

I’m way off the point of the thread here, I realise. I just want to draw some attention to the fact that even if we freed up a job for every person in the country tomorrow, not all those people would actually be able to be even vaguely useful in the job. Someone who’s not capable of self caring enough to clean their own home is not going to be adequate as a cleaner.

I don’t know what the answer is here.

So why aren't the police dealing with the crime and drugs GG13? Could they be overstretched because of government cuts? And women can only benefit from blow jobs if men are willing to pay them. Why not blame the local men who patronise these women?

If the large number of Eastern Europeans hadn’t all come into GrannyG’s town due to EU ruling enforcing freedom of movement

I don't understand why this is a problem. I thought that EU workers were taking all the jobs, but GG13's post implied that they were all scrounging off the state. Which is it?

If it is the second case then don't blame freedom of movement, blame our government for not enforcing the EU rules which state that if an EU person is not employed within three months of coming to another EU country they should be returned to whence they came, unless they are self supporting (i.e not claiming benefits) and have their own health insurance.

Blame successive UK governments which have failed to enforce the rules.

Perhaps some of them are actually working here!

oldbatty I have every sympathy for genuine refugees fleeing war and oppression, they need our help and support.

"these people are just like you and me" I don't think so!!

Unfortunately some posters cannot see the damage that some of the so called "economic migrants" do to small towns, they have created an underbelly class of crime, they can be seen urinating and defacating in shop doorways when there are free public toilets nearby.

Openly selling drugs, along with their women giving "b* **bs" etc in car parks as soon as it is dusk. I apologise if this upsets some of you, but they are facts.

It has had an economic effect on the town, small seaside traders going out of business despite the long sunny spell. Who in their right mind would visit now, it is all over social media, locally and further afield.

Maybe the UK has become their home?

I have just given an account of my next door town, seen with my own eyes. I have spoken to councillors and county councillors, these Eastern Europeans do not want to go home.

these people are not going to go away

These people are just like you and me.

Since GrannyGravy told us there is a problem in her town with them ( not me or my town) why is that ‘blaming them’
........or could it be ( yes) that you just like to get a cheap shot in at me whenever you can? that was a rhetorical question btw.

AH lemon blame the Eastern Europeans as usual unfortunately evidence shows more of them are leaving than arriving www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/thousands-eastern-europeans-leave-uk-13127071
Still never argue with prejudice.

Of course I understand her post trisher we are not talking hotel reception or a management position.
As long as she is literate and numerate up to a point, she can get a job.
My nephew is a similar case, but is employed in a supermarket.

lemon you really don't understand muffin's post. Someone with no qualifications is not employable. When the service industries can get students and even graduates as employees they will not look at anyone without qualifications. It's one reason teachers strive desperately to push pupils through to get at least a "C" in maths and Eng or if not possible a functional skills qualification.Unfortunately some still slip through.

If the large number of Eastern Europeans hadn’t all come into GrannyG’s town due to EU ruling enforcing freedom of movement then they wouldn’t need more money for the policing of them. Cause and effect.

But the problem is that these people are not going to go away GG13 and you have illustrated perfectly what happens as a result of austerity and cuts. Certain areas are seen as no-go areas and they become places ordinary people do not go. Now it may be that spending more will not entirely resolve the situation but it would certainly help. As council services and the police are cut, the support network which once existed to help, and at least attempt, to contain the problem is stretched to breaking point. Even if you think that no politician can completely solve the problem surely spending to keep it under control is justifiable?