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Labour Policy on Education

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Ilovecheese Tue 25-Sept-18 15:50:59

As there is a thread on the Labour Party Conference in general terms, I wonder if anyone would like to discuss their ideas on education policy.

I think that stopping any more free schools from being set up is a good idea, as is not forcing schools to become academies if the school and the parents do not want this, is also a good idea.

An article from a Liberal Democrat in the Guardian thinks that these policies do not go far enough, but I am not sure there is an appetite for a for wholesale reorganisation in education.

Any thoughts?

gillybob Wed 26-Sept-18 16:36:31

Exactly Annie

Pardon my ignorance but what is "peripatetic" m0nica ? I keep reading it as baby talk for "very pathetic" confused

M0nica Wed 26-Sept-18 16:22:29

I think faith schools should reflect all sides of the faith community. Basic to that would be, as all mainstream religious schools do, offering many places to children of other faiths and none and being open to the wider faith and non-faith world.

The real concerns are where children live in a mono-religious community and go to mono religious schools.

As I mentioned, earlier, in a peripatetic childhood I went to many schools, most of them catholic, and one or two of them were close to being mono-religious, but all the children attending them lived in the wider community where friends, neighbours, family members. tradesmen, etc etc were all faiths and none. Their lives were not spent in a mono-religious society.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 16:08:53

Jura, you really believe parents choose Eton and Harrow because there are no good state schools in their area?

jura2 Wed 26-Sept-18 16:06:46

We are not talking about individuals - but the basic principle.

If we want to keep CofE and Catholic schools, we have to accept Jewish schools and Muslim schools, and many more- and segregation from early childhood- different types of education and different doors opened and closed for children and their future. As for private schools, if education was properly funded, there would be little need for anyone to go private - as is the case where I live and most parts of Europe.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 15:58:51

Seems so gilly, close faith schools but schools chosen by Emily Thornberry , Diane Abbott , Baroness Shami are acceptable

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 15:55:51

Ilovecheese, if religion is to be kept in the home and place of worship the Salvation Army must be on the list with Jews, Muslims and all Christians .

gillybob Wed 26-Sept-18 15:55:28

Labours policy on education could be:

"don't do as I do, do as I say" ?

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 15:53:07

Public schools and state schools - segregation

trisher Wed 26-Sept-18 12:35:04

It is strange how the Lib Dems frequently come up with a policy which is more left wing than Labour but remain the "centre-left" party. Could it be that no-one really takes them seriously?

jura2 Wed 26-Sept-18 12:29:38

There is no space in the 21C for the segregation and divisions that start in school, with religious schools- of any denomination.

Ilovecheese Wed 26-Sept-18 12:28:59

Who on earth has suggested getting rid of the Salvation Army?

Ilovecheese Wed 26-Sept-18 12:26:17

Well, yes, I have already said that I agree with the suggestion. I just wanted to make clear that it was just that, a suggestion by a Liberal Democrat and not a Labour policy.

M0nica Wed 26-Sept-18 12:20:53

It has been advocated by several people on this thread.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 10:01:50

And supported by you Ilovecheese ,

Ilovecheese Wed 26-Sept-18 09:57:17

Can I just repeat that banning faith schools was a suggestion by a Liberal Democrat, not Labour.

M0nica Wed 26-Sept-18 09:28:46

As far as I know religious schools do not teach their religion exclusively, certainly not when I was at school. Their were separate religious education classes for catholics and other christians. The, mainly, CofE classes were taught by teachers from that denomination. Jewish girls did not have to be present at religious classes at all. Most religious schools also teach children about other faiths and religions as well as their own.

There are a few schools, almost entirely fringe fundamentalist religious schools from all faiths and denominations, which do teach exclusively their own religion, impose its strictest rules and not teach about other religions, other than in a negative way, but they are a very small proportion of all schools and educate an even smaller proportion of pupils.

The majority of faith schools are in the main stream denominations, are open to children of all denominations, and teach children about other faiths and religions with respect.

Even if faith schools are abolished, what about schools in the state sector that are religious schools because of the communities that feed that school. This arises in Northern Ireland and in some areas in the midlands and northern England.

Someone asks why this matters. The reason it matters is that when a school becomes overwhelmingly attended by children of one denomination, there is a very strong danger that it starts to become like some of the more extreme small religious schools. The religious views of the majority start to dominate the whole ethos of the school and permeate the school culture and these can be damaging to the educational progress of some pupils. We have seen this in the problems that arose in Birmingham and in other areas and it has undoubtedly been one of the factors contributing to Northern Ireland's inter-community problems.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 09:22:29

We will miss the Salvation Army , I will certaintly miss the joy they bring with their bands . Suppose the state will take over all the Army’s shelters, the Anglican Church’s food banks. St.Martins in the Fields homeless shelter.

MaizieD Wed 26-Sept-18 09:18:06

And how dare you imply that I am anti- Semitic, Annie.

I think you need help.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 09:17:12

So let’s ban communism, remember the Russian Revolution.

MaizieD Wed 26-Sept-18 09:15:04

OK, Annie. Humanism isn't a religion so I thought itvwould be nicely neutral and teach values such equality, respect for individuals and diversity, consideration for fellow humans etc. But let's not bother, then. Let's just leave any attempt to teach anything that looks like moral values, in a neutral way, off the curriculum altogether.

But let's not condone indoctrination of children into archaic and divisive ways if thinking which are justified by an unchallengeable 'authority' which can only be interpreted to its followers and in whose name the most appalling atrocities have been committed over hundreds of years, and still continue to be committed.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 09:14:44

Banning Jewish schools is certaintly one way to encourage Jews to leave this country.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 08:54:17

In my opinion wanting to restrict religion to the home and the church/mosque/ synagogue and forcing the humanism belief on people is taking away peoples rights and handing more control to the state, this happened in Russia,

gillybob Wed 26-Sept-18 08:00:40

Meant to add we are a (forever) labour controlled council.

gillybob Wed 26-Sept-18 07:51:55

Our LEA already control the admissions of every school in our borough except one which happens to be the only one doing well MazieD the LEA make a rubbish job as it stands forcing children to travel miles away to school when there are several perfectly good ones on their door step. Appeals are a waste of time. They are a law unto themselves .

MaizieD Tue 25-Sept-18 23:12:04

And I think that schools should be secular and teach humanist values. Religious teaching should be confined to the home and place of worship. But children should learn about all the major religions.